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Model: Klein Tools VDV427-300 Impact Punchdown Tool with 66/110 Blade, Reliable CAT Cable Connections, Adjustable Force, Includes Pick and Spudger
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This thing punches down cat6 also. Until you can send electrical signals over fiber optic, cat standard will be still around. A single power and data cable for poe is way easier.
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Is there a telecom that has not announced they will no longer run land lines to new development by 2030? AT&T has started that in my area in 2019. (Texas also). I know Verizon has started around 2020 in other cities around me. They're already transitioning other business over and I've had the joy of going back to the backboards and ripping out the blocks. They've already killed ADSL/DSL in most major cities for this transition to start. Business phone manufactures are already removing the CAT3 plugs out of their newer phones and your landline home phone options are going to be very limited over the next several years.
This thing punches down cat6 also. Until you can send electrical signals over fiber optic, cat standard will be still around. A single power and data cable for poe is way easier.
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I understand that, and that's usually the reason we get calls for cabling, but punching down CAT6 is still going down. Everyone wants all ends terminated now-a-days. And seriously, how many patch panels are being installed now compared to 10 years ago? (New installs, not replacements) Dont get me wrong, I would very much rather punch down a bunch of new runs than crimping a bunch of RJ45. And depending on your electric needs, PoF has been used for a while now. I think PWOF is up to 150W now? How do you think all these fiber jacks (i.e. Google Fiber) are powered without being plugged into the wall (installs since 2018)? Sprint and Lucent had power going through laser back in the 90's with their through the air communications (Sprint ION2). But that project ended and TrashMobile sits on most of those patents now.,
Edit: Just found out the home fiber jacks still get power from the router. The business ones are using the POF jacks and has certain circumstances for it to work properly, and only offered in 3 cities currently.
We're still years away from it being majorly rolled out, but it's coming.
Edit 2: Good Lord. I might be showing my age, but this brings back the memories of token ring vs ethernet conversations from years ago. lol
Talking about low cost cheap data and power transmission setups. This tool is $30 bucks. No one buying a $30 dollar tool is installing fiber optics or power over fiber in their home. PoF is inefficient also and running fiber requires more careful planning vs cat runs, plus it is more expensive. How many power over fiber access points, cameras, etc do you see compared to Cat especially in the consumer space? Keystone wall jacks still require punch down, otherwise you are just going to let a crimped cable stick out the wall?
They make tool less keystone jacks but they are more costly and aren't as reliable. Plus tool less only work with solid wire I believe, though most people installing cat runs in their home should probably be using solid (anything inside the walls) over stranded to begin with. Sort of like electricians who back stab wall outlets vs screwing down the wires, a lot more call backs with the tool less option. If I am installing keystone jacks, especially those that will be carrying power, I am punching down for piece of mind.
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Talking about low cost cheap data and power transmission setups. This tool is $30 bucks. No one buying a $30 dollar tool is installing fiber optics or power over fiber in their home. PoF is inefficient also and running fiber requires more careful planning vs cat runs, plus it is more expensive. How many power over fiber access points, cameras, etc do you see compared to Cat especially in the consumer space? Keystone wall jacks still require punch down, otherwise you are just going to let a crimped cable stick out the wall?
They make tool less keystone jacks but they are more costly and aren't as reliable. Plus tool less only work with solid wire I believe, though most people installing cat runs in their home should probably be using solid (anything inside the walls) over stranded to begin with. Sort of like electricians who back stab wall outlets vs screwing down the wires, a lot more call backs with the tool less option. If I am installing keystone jacks, especially those that will be carrying power, I am punching down for piece of mind.
All of this. And I know ZERO working electricians who use the toolless option. "That's for people who DIY, not for professionals" is what a 30-year tradesman told me.
Also, I've been playing around with low-voltage projects lately, and experimenting with punchdown blocks as power distribution
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A dying technology. I'm finding I'm having to use mine less and less every year. I cant remember when was the last time I had to buy new blades.
As a low voltage technician, a good punch down is like a Swiss army knife when paired with a good pair of cable snips. We do way more copper jobs than fiber which is usually used for distances over 320ft or uplink connections where a IDF connects to a MDF. Also in data centers with high speed servers managing data for large networks. CAT6 can do 10Gbps which is more than most people use and will use in the near future. Like the other dude said, until they make POE fiber optic copper is here to stay. When we build networks we mainly are punching down on CAT6 connectors, patch panels and phone blocks. Aside from that everything else goes on RJ45 or RJ11 connecters. We mainly use fiber for the trunk line to link switches in different locations since it has the bandwidth to handle the large data transfers.
This is a great deal. Looking at my order history I bought this for $35.38 on 9/27/23. Still works like new. I will probably lose it before it breaks down 😂 It's better than the Klein Tools VDV427-822 which is the more expensive screwdriver handle looking one which tends to break after so many punches and it is not made to open up and fix. That punch down is the only Klein product that I wouldn't recommend.
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I understand that, and that's usually the reason we get calls for cabling, but punching down CAT6 is still going down. Everyone wants all ends terminated now-a-days. And seriously, how many patch panels are being installed now compared to 10 years ago? (New installs, not replacements) Dont get me wrong, I would very much rather punch down a bunch of new runs than crimping a bunch of RJ45. And depending on your electric needs, PoF has been used for a while now. I think PWOF is up to 150W now? How do you think all these fiber jacks (i.e. Google Fiber) are powered without being plugged into the wall (installs since 2018)? Sprint and Lucent had power going through laser back in the 90's with their through the air communications (Sprint ION2). But that project ended and TrashMobile sits on most of those patents now.,
Edit: Just found out the home fiber jacks still get power from the router. The business ones are using the POF jacks and has certain circumstances for it to work properly, and only offered in 3 cities currently.
We're still years away from it being majorly rolled out, but it's coming.
Edit 2: Good Lord. I might be showing my age, but this brings back the memories of token ring vs ethernet conversations from years ago. lol
Do we forget that business environments exist? End users will ALWAYS find a way to destroy wall jacks. And more and more businesses are running more lines as they move away from POTS and move to VOIP.
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Uhh... that whole post was directed as business environment. I doubt very many homes would have the equipment from that post until the pricing stabilizes immensely. And that. like I said in the other posts, would be several years out.
And yes, I pointed out that POTS/CAT3 is going away in yet another post. But I'm glad you agree. And isnt it great now how you just have to replace the keystone jack coupler? So basic and easy, your basic IT guy or even the maintenance guy can do it. (As long as they're capable of unplugging the inside RJ45 jack without screwing it up, or pulling the little service loop out.)
Ah, I love when amateurs try to work in pro environments.
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Most all new home builders currently don't punch blocks, meaning you would have to do it yourself or pay someone.
I feel like these are needed more than ever now, unless I am missing something here….
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I don't understand how it's a dying technology? You don't punch into blocks anymore?
Most all new home builders currently don't punch blocks, meaning you would have to do it yourself or pay someone.
I feel like these are needed more than ever now, unless I am missing something here….
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lol wut?
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Edit: Just found out the home fiber jacks still get power from the router. The business ones are using the POF jacks and has certain circumstances for it to work properly, and only offered in 3 cities currently.
We're still years away from it being majorly rolled out, but it's coming.
Edit 2: Good Lord. I might be showing my age, but this brings back the memories of token ring vs ethernet conversations from years ago. lol
They make tool less keystone jacks but they are more costly and aren't as reliable. Plus tool less only work with solid wire I believe, though most people installing cat runs in their home should probably be using solid (anything inside the walls) over stranded to begin with. Sort of like electricians who back stab wall outlets vs screwing down the wires, a lot more call backs with the tool less option. If I am installing keystone jacks, especially those that will be carrying power, I am punching down for piece of mind.
They make tool less keystone jacks but they are more costly and aren't as reliable. Plus tool less only work with solid wire I believe, though most people installing cat runs in their home should probably be using solid (anything inside the walls) over stranded to begin with. Sort of like electricians who back stab wall outlets vs screwing down the wires, a lot more call backs with the tool less option. If I am installing keystone jacks, especially those that will be carrying power, I am punching down for piece of mind.
All of this. And I know ZERO working electricians who use the toolless option. "That's for people who DIY, not for professionals" is what a 30-year tradesman told me.
Also, I've been playing around with low-voltage projects lately, and experimenting with punchdown blocks as power distribution
This is a great deal. Looking at my order history I bought this for $35.38 on 9/27/23. Still works like new. I will probably lose it before it breaks down 😂 It's better than the Klein Tools VDV427-822 which is the more expensive screwdriver handle looking one which tends to break after so many punches and it is not made to open up and fix. That punch down is the only Klein product that I wouldn't recommend.
Edit: Just found out the home fiber jacks still get power from the router. The business ones are using the POF jacks and has certain circumstances for it to work properly, and only offered in 3 cities currently.
We're still years away from it being majorly rolled out, but it's coming.
Edit 2: Good Lord. I might be showing my age, but this brings back the memories of token ring vs ethernet conversations from years ago. lol
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And yes, I pointed out that POTS/CAT3 is going away in yet another post. But I'm glad you agree. And isnt it great now how you just have to replace the keystone jack coupler? So basic and easy, your basic IT guy or even the maintenance guy can do it. (As long as they're capable of unplugging the inside RJ45 jack without screwing it up, or pulling the little service loop out.)
Ah, I love when amateurs try to work in pro environments.