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Apple MacBook Pro: 14.2", M4, 16GB RAM, 512GB SSD, Space Black $1429

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Spec wise, it's a $699 edu mac mini m4 with 14in miniLED display and keyboard with touchpad.
But performance wise, it's close to m2pro or even better on single core, neutral engine, wtc
Choose wisely
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DrCJ87
Dec 13, 2024
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This is only $30 more than the best deal on Black Friday, and if you missed out on that and really want a MacBook Pro I wouldn't quibble over $30. I've had one for a month now and this is a really nice machine: the battery life is ridiculous, the speakers are the best I've ever heard on a laptop, it stays silent and cool and even the base M4 at least competes (and outright beats in many cases) the best chips from AMD and Intel. It can certainly handle more than just web browsing and media streaming. If you hate Macs more power to you, but if you don't this is still one of the best laptops out there - it just nails so many things that make a laptop enjoyable to use. I'm system agnostic but I haven't found a Windows machine that gets as many things right as this does.
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xSDMx
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How does this Base M4 compare to the M3 Pro on sale for $1449.97 at Costco? Seems $20 more for more ram, better GPU, two fans, but worse CPU and screen.
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Quote from chi :
Non-pro M4 chip, so essentially a souped-up MacBook Air with a better display, speakers, and ports. Typically, you'd want a Pro or Max chip for a MacBook Pro, but if your needs are limited to web browsing and streaming, this model should suffice.
It does have active cooling which should make a significant difference and the display is far far better.
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Quote from xSDMx :
How does this Base M4 compare to the M3 Pro on sale for $1449.97 at Costco? Seems $20 more for more ram, better GPU, two fans, but worse CPU and screen.
Pretty much. I don't find the difference between 16 and 18gb of ram to be that big a deal but that's just me. The reason to prefer the M3 Pro is the better GPU and the two fan solution if you know you're going to push it a lot. Otherwise I think it makes more sense to get the M4 - newer chip means extra year of software support.
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Quote from xSDMx :
How does this Base M4 compare to the M3 Pro on sale for $1449.97 at Costco? Seems $20 more for more ram, better GPU, two fans, but worse CPU and screen.
Single core is FASTER on M4

Multi-core, which M3Pro are you comparing with, there are a lot of different MPRo chips on M3

same for GPU.

screen is the same. 120Hz but I think the nits is higher on the newer MPRo I thought.

I always upgrade because most of the time it's Single core performance usage I need

GPU also has enhancement so if you read the benchmarks, the M4PRo GPUx20 of them basically matched M1 Max's 32 GPUs, you have to look up M3Pro since I don't have those stats handy.

"Pro" doesn't mean better on a previous generation, you need to look at the total count.

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Really struggling to understand the differences between this M4 MBP listed and this M3 MBP from microcenter for $10 less: https://www.microcenter.com/produ...ack?sp=194
By the spec sheet isn't the M3 MBP at microcenter a better deal if you ignore it being 1 year old?
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Quote from BraveStew644 :
Really struggling to understand the differences between this M4 MBP listed and this M3 MBP from microcenter for $10 less: https://www.microcenter.com/produ...ack?sp=194
By the spec sheet isn't the M3 MBP at microcenter a better deal if you ignore it being 1 year old?

Either machine will perform the "same" for you.

but if you want to do some homework.

You need to look at the Specs THEN also consider the chip performance.

10 CPUs vs 11 CPUS but M4 is 20% faster so does single core matter to you? Are you going to push multi-core performance? If you are asking this then it should not matter to you between 11 CPUs vs. 10 GPUs.

There are also Performance Core count vs Efficient Core count You have to do your research because no one knows what you really need. If you are just looking at the count then you will likely be doing a random pick. 4P 6E on M4. 5P/6E on M3Pro. Will it matter to you? I doubt it but I'd pick 4 faster cores myself because I want single app performance the POP faster and I will not stress all of the CPUs. I stress my GPUs so I opted for the MPro M4 14/20GPUs model but I do have Base M4 in my Mac Mini M4 and it runs just fine.

M4 Base https://browser.geekbench.com/v6/cpu/8791920
3678
Single-Core Score
14678
Multi-Core Score

https://browser.geekbench.com/mac...pu-14c-gpu
3091
Single-Core Score
14038
Multi-Core Score

Again, if you are not sure, I'd suggest M4 and it would be good enough faster than any Windows machine you'd run on the app basis (not counting games since that's different). Specs lean more on M4's even on the base to me but you may be lured by the older GPU with 16 cores or the 2 extra GB of ram which won't matter for day to day.

I can't remember the external display differences, you can do some research here or someone here may help you.


Apple M3 Pro 11-Core CPU; 18GB Unified Memory; 512GB Solid State Drive; 14-Core GPU
Base M4 is 10 CPUs, 16GB RAM, same disk and 10-core GPU

I don't play games so I don't care about GPU but GPU is faster as well. You need to go research benchmarks to see if it matters to you but M4 chips are faster than M4 chips and you need to see if the extra core count matters to you

disk = same
memory, 2GB isn't gonna matter
screen is the same.
both space black.
both TB4. I got TB5 but I'll never leverage that speed.

Apple M4 10-Core Chip
16GB Unified RAM | 512GB SSD
14" 3024 x 1964 Liquid Retina XDR Screen
10-Core GPU | 16-Core Neural Engine
Wi-Fi 6E (802.11ax) | Bluetooth 5.3
Thunderbolt 4 | HDMI | MagSafe 3
SDXC Slot | 12MP Center Stage Camera
Backlit Magic Keyboard
Force Touch Trackpad | Touch ID Sensor
macOS with Apple Intelligence


Either machine will perform the "same" for you.
Last edited by Elon69 December 14, 2024 at 08:10 AM.
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The biggest difference in the MacBook Pro M4 vs previous generations is the external display support, IMO. Even the base M4 supports 3 external displays without closing the lid, which is a huge upgrade that I'm surprised is not being talked about more.

https://support.apple.com/en-my/101571
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Quote from Elon69 :
Either machine will perform the "same" for you. but if you want to do some homework.You need to look at the Specs THEN also consider the chip performance.10 CPUs vs 11 CPUS but M4 is 20% faster so does single core matter to you? Are you going to push multi-core performance? If you are asking this then it should not matter to you between 11 CPUs vs. 10 GPUs.There are also Performance Core count vs Efficient Core count You have to do your research because no one knows what you really need. If you are just looking at the count then you will likely be doing a random pick. 4P 6E on M4. 5P/6E on M3Pro. Will it matter to you? I doubt it but I'd pick 4 faster cores myself because I want single app performance the POP faster and I will not stress all of the CPUs. I stress my GPUs so I opted for the MPro M4 14/20GPUs model but I do have Base M4 in my Mac Mini M4 and it runs just fine.M4 Base https://browser.geekbench.com/v6/cpu/87919203678Single-Core Score14678Multi-Core Scorehttps://browser.geekbench.com/mac...pu-14c-gpu3091Single-Core Score14038Multi-Core ScoreAgain, if you are not sure, I'd suggest M4 and it would be good enough faster than any Windows machine you'd run on the app basis (not counting games since that's different). Specs lean more on M4's even on the base to me but you may be lured by the older GPU with 16 cores or the 2 extra GB of ram which won't matter for day to day. I can't remember the external display differences, you can do some research here or someone here may help you. Apple M3 Pro 11-Core CPU; 18GB Unified Memory; 512GB Solid State Drive; 14-Core GPUBase M4 is 10 CPUs, 16GB RAM, same disk and 10-core GPUI don't play games so I don't care about GPU but GPU is faster as well. You need to go research benchmarks to see if it matters to you but M4 chips are faster than M4 chips and you need to see if the extra core count matters to youdisk = samememory, 2GB isn't gonna matterscreen is the same.both space black.both TB4. I got TB5 but I'll never leverage that speed. Apple M4 10-Core Chip16GB Unified RAM | 512GB SSD14" 3024 x 1964 Liquid Retina XDR Screen10-Core GPU | 16-Core Neural EngineWi-Fi 6E (802.11ax) | Bluetooth 5.3Thunderbolt 4 | HDMI | MagSafe 3SDXC Slot | 12MP Center Stage CameraBacklit Magic KeyboardForce Touch Trackpad | Touch ID SensormacOS with Apple IntelligenceEither machine will perform the "same" for you.
Thank you for the very thorough response! I've actually been researching all options between M3 and M4. The problem I've run into is information overload and everything starts to run together for someone like me who doesn't keep up with all the tech specs. All this single core vs multi core doesn't make sense to me, but I get it. There's a lot of info out there about it, just not sure what to trust. Plus it doesn't help when retailers mess the specs up so then I begin to question who has the correct specs. Probably best to keep my spec comparison to apple's site, but sometimes I have trouble finding older models. I had a 2012 Macbook Pro 2.3ghz intel (MW2U3LL/A), 8GB RAM that I absolutely loved. It did everything without blinking an eye. At the time I did a lot of photography/video editing which I don't do anymore. By 2020, I needed a new battery and rather than dumping money into an 8 year old macbook, I decided to try a Macbook air 8gb M1. I mostly do web surfing, email, occasional microsoft office stuff, music and videos so I figured it would be sufficient. It's never been comparable to my original MBP from 2012. Over the past year I've begin getting the pop up to force quit apps because of memory. Even more so now that I've added 3d printing as a hobby and running the print software. Not sure if or how much of this could be memory leak which I've seen a ton of info on. Activity monitor typically shows me just above 7gb RAM out of the 8. I try my best to close apps not in use, but am getting tired of having to open them back up each time I want to use them. So, I think RAM would definitely be a priority for me? I've even considered going to a 24gb RAM air, but am very leery based upon my experience btwn my current air and my previous mbp who both had 8gb RAM.
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Quote from BraveStew644 :
Thank you for the very thorough response! I've actually been researching all options between M3 and M4. The problem I've run into is information overload and everything starts to run together for someone like me who doesn't keep up with all the tech specs. All this single core vs multi core doesn't make sense to me, but I get it. There's a lot of info out there about it, just not sure what to trust. Plus it doesn't help when retailers mess the specs up so then I begin to question who has the correct specs. Probably best to keep my spec comparison to apple's site, but sometimes I have trouble finding older models. I had a 2012 Macbook Pro 2.3ghz intel (MW2U3LL/A), 8GB RAM that I absolutely loved. It did everything without blinking an eye. At the time I did a lot of photography/video editing which I don't do anymore. By 2020, I needed a new battery and rather than dumping money into an 8 year old macbook, I decided to try a Macbook air 8gb M1. I mostly do web surfing, email, occasional microsoft office stuff, music and videos so I figured it would be sufficient. It's never been comparable to my original MBP from 2012. Over the past year I've begin getting the pop up to force quit apps because of memory. Even more so now that I've added 3d printing as a hobby and running the print software. Not sure if or how much of this could be memory leak which I've seen a ton of info on. Activity monitor typically shows me just above 7gb RAM out of the 8. I try my best to close apps not in use, but am getting tired of having to open them back up each time I want to use them. So, I think RAM would definitely be a priority for me? I've even considered going to a 24gb RAM air, but am very leery based upon my experience btwn my current air and my previous mbp who both had 8gb RAM.
If you want to understand your memory use, open Activity Monitor, click the Memory tab (I know, obvious so far, right?) and look at the Memory Pressure display, which will be green, yellow or red. The other memory statistics won't help you very much, but if your memory pressure stays yellow or red, then either quit some apps, close some browser tabs or buy a new machine.

Google Chrome is a massive memory hog, although, really, if you have enough free disk space it doesn't matter that a bunch of that memory will page off to the SSD. Even if you are an Adderall addict who "needs" fifty open browser tabs at once, you can't see them all at the same time anyway.

So if you want to keep your machine longer, try Safari or Firefox instead of Chrome and limit the number of open tabs to a reasonable amount.
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Quote from BraveStew644 :
Thank you for the very thorough response! I've actually been researching all options between M3 and M4. The problem I've run into is information overload and everything starts to run together for someone like me who doesn't keep up with all the tech specs. All this single core vs multi core doesn't make sense to me, but I get it. There's a lot of info out there about it, just not sure what to trust. Plus it doesn't help when retailers mess the specs up so then I begin to question who has the correct specs. Probably best to keep my spec comparison to apple's site, but sometimes I have trouble finding older models. I had a 2012 Macbook Pro 2.3ghz intel (MW2U3LL/A), 8GB RAM that I absolutely loved. It did everything without blinking an eye. At the time I did a lot of photography/video editing which I don't do anymore. By 2020, I needed a new battery and rather than dumping money into an 8 year old macbook, I decided to try a Macbook air 8gb M1. I mostly do web surfing, email, occasional microsoft office stuff, music and videos so I figured it would be sufficient. It's never been comparable to my original MBP from 2012. Over the past year I've begin getting the pop up to force quit apps because of memory. Even more so now that I've added 3d printing as a hobby and running the print software. Not sure if or how much of this could be memory leak which I've seen a ton of info on. Activity monitor typically shows me just above 7gb RAM out of the 8. I try my best to close apps not in use, but am getting tired of having to open them back up each time I want to use them. So, I think RAM would definitely be a priority for me? I've even considered going to a 24gb RAM air, but am very leery based upon my experience btwn my current air and my previous mbp who both had 8gb RAM.

Do not by 24gb air. Might as well get the better pro with 24gb. 16gb should be fine for you. I used 8gb. 16gb and now 24. Do I need it. Not everyday and I
always close all chrome windows. No tab left behind ! lol


I run Bambu studio. I don't run fusion or anything like that but I suspect 16gb is more than enough.

I can close my apps. I am not one of those who won't close down apps. lol

Air should always min spec imo.




I also just did a quick look on my RAM usage. I don't reboot my machine my machine is very fast still. M4 MPro 24GB.

Docker and VMWARE was taking 9GB each and it's basically 1.5GB to 4GB usually max when I'm using it "fresh", I was using about 9GB of Swap on SSD. Machine is flying still because memory speed is fast enough for any real paging to occur.


I restarted both and Docker dropped to 1.5GB and Vmware booted up to 8GB again (Windows sucks).


chrome = 0 because I only 1 tab running.


Basic info from this quick look on a 24GB machine, restart apps there will all have some memory leak or file paging so just restart if you are worried because some apps will always chew thru RAM after a while.
Last edited by Elon69 December 14, 2024 at 12:39 PM.
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Quote from chi :
Non-pro M4 chip, so essentially a souped-up MacBook Air with a better display, speakers, and ports. Typically, you'd want a Pro or Max chip for a MacBook Pro, but if your needs are limited to web browsing and streaming, this model should suffice.
People who comment with all seriousness that a $1500 macbook is limited to "web browsing and streaming" because its not the pro model should reconsider their life choices

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Quote from hairyveggie :
The biggest difference in the MacBook Pro M4 vs previous generations is the external display support, IMO. Even the base M4 supports 3 external displays without closing the lid, which is a huge upgrade that I'm surprised is not being talked about more. https://support.apple.com/en-my/101571
only the M4 Max supports 3 external displays. The text on that page is misleading because it's combining the M4 and M4 Max in one paragraph.
https://www.apple.com/macbook-pro/specs/

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