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Details on how to understand the Mortgage basics and information that I understand for your learning can be accessed on this post (Click this hyperlink to go to the post); If you are new to this process and have questions this is a Must Read before asking question on the forum!


Reviving my over a decade old thread from SD and FW as the rates have gotten competitive. This thread is a SD community thread to compare and post best rates received along with their lender experience for a quick compare and estimation from a starting point.


Please note that rates will vary on quite a few factors and just because one person has a rate will not guarantee you will receive the same rate but simply use this as a guide and negotiation tactic.

All below rates are based on assumptions of certain LTV, DTI, & Excellent Credit Scores:

30 Year Fixed best rates (Assuming Good Credit & 20% down, low LTV, low DTI, etc etc):
All listed lenders are here because I shopped them and have encountered competitive pricing and not because I get any sort of a kickback....use this as a gauge for the latest but note that things can change week to week, day to day and even hour to hour:

07/14/2021 2.875% Better.com- Will consider Lender Match to beat Competitors and combine with Amex cashback (Click here for additional Forum thread details). Amex's "Digital Assist" Team @ 800-297-7500

07/14/2021 2.875% LoanDepot.com - Is competitive but works better if you have another offer for them. My LO Luke Dean
[email protected] 949-652-4521

07/14/2021 BSMFunding (David Pressel) - Call to get the latest rates (no published online). Very competitive rates; get everything in writing via email!
https://bsmfunding.mymortgage-onl...essel.html
David Pressel (NMLS: 562175)- Branch Manager - Phone: 908-208-2036
[email protected]
07/14/2021 2.5% LoanCabin [loancabin.com] - Most Competitive but refinance times have grow to almost 6 months for many people so proceed with caution as recent reviews indicate normal 1 month closing. Generally do not charge for big Lender Fees (A+B on LE) as they are under $100 in most cases; esp if appraisal is waived for your scenario.

07/14/2021 3% LenderFi - Competitive but might be slow and not work on beating other lender rates.
30 Year Fixed Jumbo Best Rates (Assuming Good Credit & 20% down):
TBD
15 year Fixed:
07/14/2021 2.0 % Better.com; matches Bankrate rates for themselves.
07/04/2020 2.5% NIH Credit Union with Lender Credit
Title Company Comparisions:
RadianTitleDirect.com - OP has used them for almost a decade with getting best rates (closed after Covid, Lender must submit order as consumer side is closed).
ALTTitle.com
https://www.valerotitle.com/ - Texas only.
Alphabetical list of other lenders (some could be non-proven without direct member experiences posted here):
  1. AimLoan - Will provide LE without hard pull if credit is frozen https://www.aimloan.com/
  2. Amerisave - will give you scores from all 3 bureaus with just a soft pull https://www.amerisave.com/
  3. Better.com https://better.com/
  4. BoxHomeLoans https://www.boxhomeloans.com/
  5. Close Your Own Loan https://www.closeyourownloan.com/...sults.aspx
  6. Colonial Mort http://www.colonialmort.com/
  7. HighTechLending http://www.hightechlending.co/Default.aspx
  8. Interactive Mortgage https://interactivemortgage.com/ Eric from IM is super rude so good luck dealing with this guy!
  9. LenderFi https://www.lenderfi.com [lenderfi.com]if the link wont work try this backend link: https://app.lenderfi.com/app/sign...r/lenderfi
  10. Loan Cabin https://www.loancabin.com/
  11. Loan Depot https://www.loandepot.com/
  12. LoanLock https://www.loanlock.com/
  13. NavyFederal CU https://www.navyfederal.org/
  14. NIH credit union (Delware, District of Columbia, Maryland, North Carolina, Pennsylvania, Virginia, West Virginia) https://www.nihfcu.org/
  15. Northpointe Bank https://www.northpointe.com/
  16. Owning.com (Operates only in CA) https://owning.com/
  17. Pentagon Federal CU https://www.penfed.org/
  18. Provident Funding - will give LE without locking rate https://www.provident.com/
  19. RatePlus (California) https://www.rateplus.com/
  20. Travis Credit Union (12 North Cal Counties only) https://www.traviscu.org/ Eligibility traviscu.org
  21. United wholesale mortgages https://www.uwm.com/
  22. Watermark Home Loans https://www.watermarkhomeloans.com/
  23. West Coast Mortgage Associates (The loan broker is in So.Cal. Debbie Morgan) https://wcmtg.com/


Shahhere

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Quote from MeAPhool :
I think a lot of people get confused with regards to "no closing cost". Specifically I think that is with regards to A+B+C (as referenced in this post by volcomssj48 - https://slickdeals.net/forums/showpost.php?p=138543920&postcount=138)

As per volcomssj48, this is a good place to go for a basic understanding of the LE (Loan Estimate) that should be provided to you by each lender once you give all of your information: https://www.consumerfinance.gov/o...-estimate/

I'm in NJ so I can't really shop Title Insurance much as it's the cost is regulated by the state, however in other states, you can really cut down some of the costs in section "C".
Good site for daily mortgage news. Subscribe to their daily mortgage rate news to learn about their predictions. Also take a look at the rest of their site.
http://www.mortgagenewsdaily.com/...age_rates/



Potential Lenders - Mentioned in Thread
*Please add to this list and add locality if applicable*

  1. Loan Cabin https://www.loancabin.com/
  2. Better.com https://better.com/
  3. Interactive Mortgage https://interactivemortgage.com/
  4. LenderFi https://www.lenderfi.com/
  5. owning.com (Operates only in CA) https://owning.com/
  6. NIH credit union (Delware, District of Columbia, Maryland, North Carolina, Pennsylvania, Virginia, West Virginia) https://www.nihfcu.org/
  7. Loan Depot https://www.loandepot.com/
  8. Travis Credit Union (12 North Cal Counties only) https://www.traviscu.org/ Eligibility [traviscu.org]
  9. Pentagon Federal CU https://www.penfed.org/
  10. Interactive Mortgage https://interactivemortgage.com/
  11. NavyFederal CU https://www.navyfederal.org/
  12. United wholesale mortgages https://www.uwm.com/
  13. BoxHomeLoans https://www.boxhomeloans.com/
  14. LoanLock https://www.loanlock.com/
  15. West Coast Mortgage Associates (The loan broker is in So.Cal. Debbie Morgan) https://wcmtg.com/
  16. RatePlus (California) https://www.rateplus.com/
  17. Northpointe Bank https://www.northpointe.com/
  18. HighTechLending https://hightechlending.mortgagewebcenter.com/
  19. Close Your Own Loan https://www.closeyourownloan.com/...sults.aspx
  20. AimLoan - will give LE without hard pull if credit is frozen https://www.aimloan.com/
  21. Amerisave - will give you scores from all 3 bureaus with just a soft pull
    https://www.amerisave.com/
  22. Provident - will give LE without locking rate https://www.provident.com/ Best Credit Back with 60% LTV or better.
  23. Watermark Home Loans https://www.watermarkhomeloans.com/ Skip these guys. They are being rude to Slickdealers. In one occasion they have explicitly said they don't want to do business with people from Slickdeals. They also have an approach where they give you the best rate initially and just raise it more each time you ask.
  24. Colonial Mort http://www.colonialmort.com/
  25. Annie Mac https://www.annie-mac.com/ Licensed in these states https://www.annie-mac.com/page/licensed-states/
  26. Rate Rabbit https://www.raterabbit.com/ Licensed in MA and others [raterabbit.com]

Discount lenders who DO NOT accept fully documented in tax returns self-employment income:
Owning.com
BoxHomeLoans
Lower.com

Discount Lenders that DO accept fully documented in tax returns self-employment income:
Sebonic
Caliber
Sage

Title Company Shopping
AltTitle.com
mytitlegenius.com (formerly entitle direct)
TO AVOID - Settlement LTD (local Pittsburgh run away from them - high cost, very bad service, lot of delays)


Feel Free to Add Sections for Each Lender - MeAPhool

Loan Cabin - DetailsWARNING. DO NOT GO WITH LOAN CABIN. TRUST ME.
I would have lost the home if i was trying to buy a house.
I just had a normal refi and it took then 127 days to close. out of the 27 emails i sent, they responded to 3. I even had to call (complain) their main office 2 times to get a response to any emails. they screwed the closing paperwork as well.


Loan Cabin does not charge lender fees. Actually all of this is in their FAQ but of course nobody reads anything and wants everything spoon fed.

This means A+B (reference the link above in the wiki regarding Loan Estimate) in the Loan Estimate should be 0 (as long as your appraisal is waived).

You will be responsible for Title Cost (of course you can shop that to your heart's delight)
You will be responsible for Recording Fee in your county
You will be responsible for Escrows (if you so choose OR if you are close to Homeowner's OR Property Tax payment - though you can negotiate and show evidence to get it waived. Most lender's will waive it if you are choosing not to escrow and you can show proof that you paid the upcoming Property Tax or Homeowner's Insurance)

You will be responsible for Prepaid Interest (this isn't a cost. If you didn't refinance, you'd be paying the interest at your current mortgage rate which I assume would be higher).

Lender Credit - If this covers A+B+C+E then you have a no-cost refinance. If you have a surplus aside from A+B+C+E, then technically you made money on your refinance.


If you apply and do no hear back for 3 days, then on the 3rd business day, reach out to [email protected]. They will usually help get a response on your application within a day.



If the information in this WIKI does not cover your questions, then please ask. We will answer and update WIKI accordingly.

Thanks - MeAPhool

Quote from arouncoumar :
For those needing clarity on LC closing costs, I was on the same boat. See what they charge here https://www.dropbox.com/s/r30ecea...t.png?dl=0
Quote from PeterLegend :
Here is a photo of my loan estimate from Loan Cabin, my lender credits should be closer to 3K based on my initial conversations with Bob so i'm following up with him on that.

I do see title insurance in my estimate. I reached out to Owning but I didn't quality for the no cost refinance option since my LTV was 73%, it has to be 50% or lower when I spoke to them.

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08-25-2020 at 11:36 AM.
08-25-2020 at 11:36 AM.
Quote from scorpioneyes :
If you exclude the property tax, if Better is able to remove/refund the appraisal, then Better's deal nets your roughly $624 cash back over LC that you would apply towards the taxes. Your LC LE omits the tax but you know it'll somehow find its way onto it towards closing.

Better: D 1724 + E 362 + F 431 = 2507 - 2581 credit = -74 - 550 appraisal = -624
LC: D 1140 + E 395 + F 372 = 1907 - 1907 credit = 0

Now add your property taxes back on and see where you're at vs saving 0.01%
That's a good perspective, I can ask Better.com but I have a feeling if the appraisal is waved I wouldn't be surprised if my lender credits dropped lol...

My lender credits for Loan Cabin should be closer to 3K based on the initial chart I got from Bob even though it shows $1907 on the Loan Estimate. Which I pointed out in my email to them.

I also spoke to Loan Depot this morning, they were checking what rates they could give me when their "system crashed", they're supposed to call me later today to follow-up. I did tell them I had other Loan Estimates on the table as well...
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08-25-2020 at 11:45 AM.
08-25-2020 at 11:45 AM.
Quote from PeterLegend :
Yeah my thoughts exactly, I am not in a hurry. I can fine to complete the process in 30 to 45 days. My guy Bob at Loan Cabin didnt give a date but closing could occur as early as October or as late as November...
I disagree.
After looking at both your LEs, Better is better (no pun intended) by at least $60 in the worst case and by $600+ in the best case (if it so happens that your appraisal is waived which they may not be able confirm until after you lock).
For comparison purposes, you should really be comparing only A+B-lender credits from J. On this note, better is better by $60.
The rest of the items are either money you have to pay anyway (taxes), money you pay to yourself (escrow) or third party fee which neither Better.com nor Loancabin can accurately estimate at this point. There is a possibility to remove escrows with Better.com at the processing as well as closing stages. just by asking the expert assigned to you at that point (most times it works even if initial LO did not agree for that).
You need to get a title and recording quote from multiple sources and provide to whichever lender you select the best title quote you got to either match it or ask them to use your your title services provider. The title company will decide (even if you go with loancabin) as to weather the taxes need to be paid or not by checking with your town the day before closing. If they are not able to verify that the town has received the taxes, they are required by law to collect the payment and send it (which could result in double payment if you or previous company has already sent in the payment and then you will have work with/fight with your town/corelogic to get a refund which you should be able to get in due course).
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08-25-2020 at 12:02 PM.
08-25-2020 at 12:02 PM.
Quote from BMWZ8Bond :
I was able to get Loan Depot to match Loan Cabin without issue. They came back within an hour too.




This is really helpful, appreciate you sharing! I've always tried to find this out on my own, but was overwhelmed trying to find which one to gauge off of. Is there a good public site to see MBS quotes (and is the UMBS you're looking for?)
The public stuff is not usually realtime. Since I look at the UMBS daily (which yes that is what you should pay attention to), I will do my best to post updates when time allows.

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08-25-2020 at 12:39 PM.
08-25-2020 at 12:39 PM.
Hi new here. I got a cashout refi rate from Owning for 2.65% at 1.5 points. Cashout is $110K, does this sound reasonable? Other lenders couldn't even get close to 2.65% for cashout.
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08-25-2020 at 12:41 PM.
Also, I've applied to two other lenders, but afraid to apply for anymore due to credit hit. Is this an issue, how else are you suppose to compare rates and fees?
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08-25-2020 at 12:50 PM.
Quote from NervousClover7482 :
Also, I've applied to two other lenders, but afraid to apply for anymore due to credit hit. Is this an issue, how else are you suppose to compare rates and fees?

I get that you are new but please read the first post and the linked 2nd post as to what you are asking is answered in Detail there.


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08-25-2020 at 12:55 PM.
Quote from NervousClover7482 :
Also, I've applied to two other lenders, but afraid to apply for anymore due to credit hit. Is this an issue, how else are you suppose to compare rates and fees?
All mortgage shopping pulls just count as one for a variable amount of time but my understanding is it is at least 14 days. So keep applying...
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08-25-2020 at 01:25 PM.
Quote from PeterLegend :
Hi guys, so Better.com said they can beat Loan Cabin by $100 but after reviewing their Loan Estimate it seems they tacked on a bunch of extra items (including an appraisal that I dont want) which were mostly negated by the Lender Credits. I'm still leaning towards Loan Cabin since their estimate is cleaner and not as jam packed with all these fees. Better.com is staying at 2.50% and won't match the 2.49% from Loan Cabin too...

My property taxes are due in November but I haven't received the bill yet, but it will be paid on time.

See attached photos for reference.
I would go with Better. Ideally, when comparing LEs you should only compare A+B - Credits. But having shopped enough for title and settlement I know it is a cabal it is hard to get lower fees on C unless some lender has a tie-up with a tile company. So go with A+B+C - Credits.
If you don't need an appraisal Better refunds you that charge to your original form of payment. Your credits don't change as a result of appraisal refund. I went though this so I can confirm.

Better will be 64+1100 - 2581 = - 1417
LC will be 1140 - 1907 = -767

All of the other sections should be the same across all lenders. Plus Better has a much faster processing time.

And as far as that 1bp difference, I would try to negotiate with Better to see if they can throw in an extra hundred or two in credits!

Great deal either way. Congratulations!
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Just hit the tape...

FHFA delays the controversial 50bp fee until Dec 1
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Quote from nagraw4 :
Just hit the tape...

FHFA delays the controversial 50bp fee until Dec 1
wow, that is big news. thanks!
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Quote from weigojmi :
All mortgage shopping pulls just count as one for a variable amount of time but my understanding is it is at least 14 days. So keep applying...
yes, the variable amount of time is what is confusing. I started in July 1st with my first loan request. I did my second about 7 days ago.
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Quote from NervousClover7482 :
yes, the variable amount of time is what is confusing. I started in July 1st with my first loan request. I did my second about 7 days ago.
Variable amount of time ranges from a week to a month. But I would try to apply within a week to avoid any surprises.
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Quote from nagraw4 :
Just hit the tape...

FHFA delays the controversial 50bp fee until Dec 1
https://www.fhfa.gov/mobile/Pages...ber-1.aspx
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Quote from NervousClover7482 :
wow, that is big news. thanks!
Lenders were quick to jack up rates when Adverse Market Refinance fee was announced. Watch some lenders take days, if not weeks, to lower rates now.
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Quote from MadeInAP :
Lenders were quick to jack up rates when Adverse Market Refinance fee was announced. Watch some lenders take days, if not weeks, to lower rates now.
So if I'm in the middle of a refi, should I just tell them to stop the process, and reapply in a couple weeks?
How should we use the FHFA delay to our advantage?
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