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Details on how to understand the Mortgage basics and information that I understand for your learning can be accessed on this post (Click this hyperlink to go to the post); If you are new to this process and have questions this is a Must Read before asking question on the forum!


Reviving my over a decade old thread from SD and FW as the rates have gotten competitive. This thread is a SD community thread to compare and post best rates received along with their lender experience for a quick compare and estimation from a starting point.


Please note that rates will vary on quite a few factors and just because one person has a rate will not guarantee you will receive the same rate but simply use this as a guide and negotiation tactic.

All below rates are based on assumptions of certain LTV, DTI, & Excellent Credit Scores:

30 Year Fixed best rates (Assuming Good Credit & 20% down, low LTV, low DTI, etc etc):
All listed lenders are here because I shopped them and have encountered competitive pricing and not because I get any sort of a kickback....use this as a gauge for the latest but note that things can change week to week, day to day and even hour to hour:

07/14/2021 2.875% Better.com- Will consider Lender Match to beat Competitors and combine with Amex cashback (Click here for additional Forum thread details). Amex's "Digital Assist" Team @ 800-297-7500

07/14/2021 2.875% LoanDepot.com - Is competitive but works better if you have another offer for them. My LO Luke Dean
[email protected] 949-652-4521

07/14/2021 BSMFunding (David Pressel) - Call to get the latest rates (no published online). Very competitive rates; get everything in writing via email!
https://bsmfunding.mymortgage-onl...essel.html
David Pressel (NMLS: 562175)- Branch Manager - Phone: 908-208-2036
[email protected]
07/14/2021 2.5% LoanCabin [loancabin.com] - Most Competitive but refinance times have grow to almost 6 months for many people so proceed with caution as recent reviews indicate normal 1 month closing. Generally do not charge for big Lender Fees (A+B on LE) as they are under $100 in most cases; esp if appraisal is waived for your scenario.

07/14/2021 3% LenderFi - Competitive but might be slow and not work on beating other lender rates.
30 Year Fixed Jumbo Best Rates (Assuming Good Credit & 20% down):
TBD
15 year Fixed:
07/14/2021 2.0 % Better.com; matches Bankrate rates for themselves.
07/04/2020 2.5% NIH Credit Union with Lender Credit
Title Company Comparisions:
RadianTitleDirect.com - OP has used them for almost a decade with getting best rates (closed after Covid, Lender must submit order as consumer side is closed).
ALTTitle.com
https://www.valerotitle.com/ - Texas only.
Alphabetical list of other lenders (some could be non-proven without direct member experiences posted here):
  1. AimLoan - Will provide LE without hard pull if credit is frozen https://www.aimloan.com/
  2. Amerisave - will give you scores from all 3 bureaus with just a soft pull https://www.amerisave.com/
  3. Better.com https://better.com/
  4. BoxHomeLoans https://www.boxhomeloans.com/
  5. Close Your Own Loan https://www.closeyourownloan.com/...sults.aspx
  6. Colonial Mort http://www.colonialmort.com/
  7. HighTechLending http://www.hightechlending.co/Default.aspx
  8. Interactive Mortgage https://interactivemortgage.com/ Eric from IM is super rude so good luck dealing with this guy!
  9. LenderFi https://www.lenderfi.com [lenderfi.com]if the link wont work try this backend link: https://app.lenderfi.com/app/sign...r/lenderfi
  10. Loan Cabin https://www.loancabin.com/
  11. Loan Depot https://www.loandepot.com/
  12. LoanLock https://www.loanlock.com/
  13. NavyFederal CU https://www.navyfederal.org/
  14. NIH credit union (Delware, District of Columbia, Maryland, North Carolina, Pennsylvania, Virginia, West Virginia) https://www.nihfcu.org/
  15. Northpointe Bank https://www.northpointe.com/
  16. Owning.com (Operates only in CA) https://owning.com/
  17. Pentagon Federal CU https://www.penfed.org/
  18. Provident Funding - will give LE without locking rate https://www.provident.com/
  19. RatePlus (California) https://www.rateplus.com/
  20. Travis Credit Union (12 North Cal Counties only) https://www.traviscu.org/ Eligibility traviscu.org
  21. United wholesale mortgages https://www.uwm.com/
  22. Watermark Home Loans https://www.watermarkhomeloans.com/
  23. West Coast Mortgage Associates (The loan broker is in So.Cal. Debbie Morgan) https://wcmtg.com/


Shahhere

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Quote from MeAPhool :
I think a lot of people get confused with regards to "no closing cost". Specifically I think that is with regards to A+B+C (as referenced in this post by volcomssj48 - https://slickdeals.net/forums/showpost.php?p=138543920&postcount=138)

As per volcomssj48, this is a good place to go for a basic understanding of the LE (Loan Estimate) that should be provided to you by each lender once you give all of your information: https://www.consumerfinance.gov/o...-estimate/

I'm in NJ so I can't really shop Title Insurance much as it's the cost is regulated by the state, however in other states, you can really cut down some of the costs in section "C".
Good site for daily mortgage news. Subscribe to their daily mortgage rate news to learn about their predictions. Also take a look at the rest of their site.
http://www.mortgagenewsdaily.com/...age_rates/



Potential Lenders - Mentioned in Thread
*Please add to this list and add locality if applicable*

  1. Loan Cabin https://www.loancabin.com/
  2. Better.com https://better.com/
  3. Interactive Mortgage https://interactivemortgage.com/
  4. LenderFi https://www.lenderfi.com/
  5. owning.com (Operates only in CA) https://owning.com/
  6. NIH credit union (Delware, District of Columbia, Maryland, North Carolina, Pennsylvania, Virginia, West Virginia) https://www.nihfcu.org/
  7. Loan Depot https://www.loandepot.com/
  8. Travis Credit Union (12 North Cal Counties only) https://www.traviscu.org/ Eligibility [traviscu.org]
  9. Pentagon Federal CU https://www.penfed.org/
  10. Interactive Mortgage https://interactivemortgage.com/
  11. NavyFederal CU https://www.navyfederal.org/
  12. United wholesale mortgages https://www.uwm.com/
  13. BoxHomeLoans https://www.boxhomeloans.com/
  14. LoanLock https://www.loanlock.com/
  15. West Coast Mortgage Associates (The loan broker is in So.Cal. Debbie Morgan) https://wcmtg.com/
  16. RatePlus (California) https://www.rateplus.com/
  17. Northpointe Bank https://www.northpointe.com/
  18. HighTechLending https://hightechlending.mortgagewebcenter.com/
  19. Close Your Own Loan https://www.closeyourownloan.com/...sults.aspx
  20. AimLoan - will give LE without hard pull if credit is frozen https://www.aimloan.com/
  21. Amerisave - will give you scores from all 3 bureaus with just a soft pull
    https://www.amerisave.com/
  22. Provident - will give LE without locking rate https://www.provident.com/ Best Credit Back with 60% LTV or better.
  23. Watermark Home Loans https://www.watermarkhomeloans.com/ Skip these guys. They are being rude to Slickdealers. In one occasion they have explicitly said they don't want to do business with people from Slickdeals. They also have an approach where they give you the best rate initially and just raise it more each time you ask.
  24. Colonial Mort http://www.colonialmort.com/
  25. Annie Mac https://www.annie-mac.com/ Licensed in these states https://www.annie-mac.com/page/licensed-states/
  26. Rate Rabbit https://www.raterabbit.com/ Licensed in MA and others [raterabbit.com]

Discount lenders who DO NOT accept fully documented in tax returns self-employment income:
Owning.com
BoxHomeLoans
Lower.com

Discount Lenders that DO accept fully documented in tax returns self-employment income:
Sebonic
Caliber
Sage

Title Company Shopping
AltTitle.com
mytitlegenius.com (formerly entitle direct)
TO AVOID - Settlement LTD (local Pittsburgh run away from them - high cost, very bad service, lot of delays)


Feel Free to Add Sections for Each Lender - MeAPhool

Loan Cabin - DetailsWARNING. DO NOT GO WITH LOAN CABIN. TRUST ME.
I would have lost the home if i was trying to buy a house.
I just had a normal refi and it took then 127 days to close. out of the 27 emails i sent, they responded to 3. I even had to call (complain) their main office 2 times to get a response to any emails. they screwed the closing paperwork as well.


Loan Cabin does not charge lender fees. Actually all of this is in their FAQ but of course nobody reads anything and wants everything spoon fed.

This means A+B (reference the link above in the wiki regarding Loan Estimate) in the Loan Estimate should be 0 (as long as your appraisal is waived).

You will be responsible for Title Cost (of course you can shop that to your heart's delight)
You will be responsible for Recording Fee in your county
You will be responsible for Escrows (if you so choose OR if you are close to Homeowner's OR Property Tax payment - though you can negotiate and show evidence to get it waived. Most lender's will waive it if you are choosing not to escrow and you can show proof that you paid the upcoming Property Tax or Homeowner's Insurance)

You will be responsible for Prepaid Interest (this isn't a cost. If you didn't refinance, you'd be paying the interest at your current mortgage rate which I assume would be higher).

Lender Credit - If this covers A+B+C+E then you have a no-cost refinance. If you have a surplus aside from A+B+C+E, then technically you made money on your refinance.


If you apply and do no hear back for 3 days, then on the 3rd business day, reach out to [email protected]. They will usually help get a response on your application within a day.



If the information in this WIKI does not cover your questions, then please ask. We will answer and update WIKI accordingly.

Thanks - MeAPhool

Quote from arouncoumar :
For those needing clarity on LC closing costs, I was on the same boat. See what they charge here https://www.dropbox.com/s/r30ecea...t.png?dl=0
Quote from PeterLegend :
Here is a photo of my loan estimate from Loan Cabin, my lender credits should be closer to 3K based on my initial conversations with Bob so i'm following up with him on that.

I do see title insurance in my estimate. I reached out to Owning but I didn't quality for the no cost refinance option since my LTV was 73%, it has to be 50% or lower when I spoke to them.

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08-26-2020 at 05:19 AM.
08-26-2020 at 05:19 AM.
Better seems to have already improved the rates today after the FHFA fee was pushed back. Just a data point, yesterday 2.5% was with ~$5400 (1.4%) in points on their rate sheet for me. Today it is ~$1500 (0.4%). So a full point reduction in points.
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08-26-2020 at 05:26 AM.
08-26-2020 at 05:26 AM.
MBS is -2/32 in early trading. We will see how the FHFA reversal affects rates as investors price today. Typically, pricing gets revised between 9:30AM-11:00AM ET. But this may take an additional 24 hours for all of the investors to digest and model out.

Also, this was just announced this morning:

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/ar...new-policy

Reminder: this does not directly correlate to mortgage rates, but just goes to show how much of a long term ripple effect the last 6 months has created.

Lastly, I will be on vacation from this afternoon through Saturday night. I will be in Vermont with my wife, the 14 year old, and the dog. Anyone who has reached out for quotes, I promise I will get back to you as quickly as I can. End of the month is always nuts, and going on vacation at that time just adds to the insanity.

DP
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08-26-2020 at 06:07 AM.
08-26-2020 at 06:07 AM.
Hey guys, getting closer to closing on this one and would appreciate the keener eyes here than mine to check this LE for any red (or yellow) flags?

To me rate seems a little high but I was told by the LO due to LTV, loan amount, location, that its the best he could do. Fair enough. I'm shopping it around but so far no one can beat it. This also was affected by the refi fee so I reached out to my LO to see what he can do.

Anyway, credit report fee is perhaps a little high but it looks like its effectively a no cost loan after lender credits but I am financing some prepaids in to the loan which I'm a little confused on how they estimate that to be honest.

Any opinions welcome.
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08-26-2020 at 07:20 AM.
08-26-2020 at 07:20 AM.
Quote from weigojmi :
Hey guys, getting closer to closing on this one and would appreciate the keener eyes here than mine to check this LE for any red (or yellow) flags?

To me rate seems a little high but I was told by the LO due to LTV, loan amount, location, that its the best he could do. Fair enough. I'm shopping it around but so far no one can beat it. This also was affected by the refi fee so I reached out to my LO to see what he can do.

Anyway, credit report fee is perhaps a little high but it looks like its effectively a no cost loan after lender credits but I am financing some prepaids in to the loan which I'm a little confused on how they estimate that to be honest.

Any opinions welcome.
Dont see your rate and Loan Amount etc to answer that per say....


The Section B charges do look a bit fluffed up but could be state dependent?



If the prepaid rolled in amount is higher you can change that before closing...


Other than that it looks straight forward.


Shahhere
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08-26-2020 at 07:34 AM.
08-26-2020 at 07:34 AM.
Quote from davepressel :
MBS is -2/32 in early trading. We will see how the FHFA reversal affects rates as investors price today. Typically, pricing gets revised between 9:30AM-11:00AM ET. But this may take an additional 24 hours for all of the investors to digest and model out.

Also, this was just announced this morning:

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/ar...new-policy

Reminder: this does not directly correlate to mortgage rates, but just goes to show how much of a long term ripple effect the last 6 months has created.

Lastly, I will be on vacation from this afternoon through Saturday night. I will be in Vermont with my wife, the 14 year old, and the dog. Anyone who has reached out for quotes, I promise I will get back to you as quickly as I can. End of the month is always nuts, and going on vacation at that time just adds to the insanity.

DP

Thanks for the update Dave!


As for others who have asked the question about the G fee being pushed back and seeing rates tumble is not directly relative.



My guess: Lenders will hold and price loans a bit higher for now and hopefully in a week or so see lower rates but will still price them higher now that they know there is a fee in the horizon; just a guess Smilie.


For people that asked me how I knew that it will be pushed until the end of the year; I did not "Know" that Smilie just reading things and guessing thats all.



Shahhere
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08-26-2020 at 07:34 AM.
08-26-2020 at 07:34 AM.
Quote from shahhere :
Dont see your rate and Loan Amount etc to answer that per say....


The Section B charges do look a bit fluffed up but could be state dependent?



If the prepaid rolled in amount is higher you can change that before closing...


Other than that it looks straight forward.


Shahhere

OK thanks...

Rate: 3%
Loan amount: $232,000

@davepressel it seems you cannot receive PMs...?
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08-26-2020 at 07:58 AM.
Anybody know if radian works with loan depot?
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08-26-2020 at 08:43 AM.
08-26-2020 at 08:43 AM.
Quote from nagraw4 :
Better seems to have already improved the rates today after the FHFA fee was pushed back. Just a data point, yesterday 2.5% was with ~$5400 (1.4%) in points on their rate sheet for me. Today it is ~$1500 (0.4%). So a full point reduction in points.
Interesting. Thanks for the datapoint.

HTL: The rates for me went up again (1/8th this time, all else equal).
Loan Cabin: I can't get an apples to apples comparison since the LO has to send you rates. Using the public page with my data - yesterday showing 2.5% with ~$600 in points. Today, 2.375 with $4,100 in points. Wish they'd just show the lowest rate/point combo so it was easier to compare.
LD: Going to call my LO this morning and see if any movement. My guess is nothing yet as they're trying to digest.

Edit:
Looks like owning upped theirs 1/8th as well (at least on a HB 30 year fixed). Before they were showing a 2.59 APR (presumably 2.5 with a bit of cost) and now they're at 2.625.
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08-26-2020 at 09:08 AM.
08-26-2020 at 09:08 AM.
Quote from AJR214 :
Thanks for the response meaphool. Here is hopefully information to clear up my explanation and your calculations.

* The Pool was a construction loan that totaled $54,450. Any payments made before it closed would adjust the locked in payment of the remaining balance which is probably why your calculation is off.

* The Solar loan is $34,000 with an 18 month open window to pay it down 30% using tax credits over 2 tax years before the payment adjusts and locks to remaining balance on month 19. Your calc is close to the payment if I don't pay the $10,500 in tax credits to the loan.

* Not sure of the calc difference in the car loans.

* You are calculating amortization totals to the end of the loans. I am calculating using my payment plans below. So while your differences in interest are very large looking at it 15-30 years out, I'm using the interest total of the current payment plan and readjusting from there to see how much more interest savings I can squeeze out. Which is why if I try and do a refi with cashout to pay the pool and solar, the savings don't justify the cost of the refi.

* I attempted the refi on March 20th just as Covid was bringing the end of the world. Rates were supposedly low and underwriters were backed up from previous weeks of record low rates. Amidst the uncertainty of Covid and the backlog, rates being quoted were higher at the time. Wife and I are essential employees with the state and have only missed 2 weeks of work (after vacation due to mandatory quarantine after returning from a cruise on March 15th - last cruise that has since sailed out of Tampa or pretty much anywhere for that matter). We both were still paid since we had the extra sick time on the books. I was looking at just the refi of the house and include the pool (that 7.99% kills me). Looking back I don't think it would have worked because the Solar loan has a lien on the property report and I would have had to include that payoff too. Mortgage companies I tried at the time were:

- Better.com since I have an Amex that had the $2,500 statement bonus reward option. The contact never got back to me
- RP Funding - $156k @ 4.5% on 30 year VA with a $2,500 buy down, $500 appraisal and the presumptive "No Closing Cost Mortgage"
- True Mortgage - no return call
- Loan Depot - $166k @ 4.125/4.75 for 15/30 with $10,083 closing costs on 30 year.
- Lennox/Westland Financial - $161k @ 4.875 on 30 year fixed with a follow up VA Earl to reduce the rate.
- 2 or 3 Other brokered calls from companies that I could tell were just bait and switch from the start.

Hopefully this helps you with how I'm viewing this. It would be nice to find an Equity loan even 1/2 point lower at 3.75% which would drop the interest by another $600, 3.25% would save $1180.

BTW - Where can I get the 15-year cash-out refi @ 3.25% at no cost? I could try for $182 to include the house, pool, solar, and storage shed which is 74% ltv, and make payments of $2,600/month + another $800 when the 2 cars are paid off. This would be 68 payments and interest of only $18,584 ($6,148 interest savings over my current plan).

Thanks, this information definitely helps with analysis. I will put something together on Google Sheets and share this with you.
If your SOLAR loan has a lien on the home, then we definitely need to re-work the plan slightly.

Here are 2 key thought right off the bat.
  1. I would also use the avalanche method (pay off higher interest first) as opposed to snowball (pay off smallest loan amounts) to save on interest.
  2. On average, rates on both 15/30 yr fixed are about .25% lower or more since the end of March so you might want to check again. Your rates seemed high.

Based on your chart, I create an excel which I imported to Google Sheets and converted to formulas.
I made it read-only for now, but I think you can create a copy and manipulate it based on the rates you actually find.


Using interest/12 * Remaining Loan Amount, I was unable to match your interest payment amount listed on your Solar/Pool/House.
I based my sheets on stated interest/12 * remaining loan amount so my #'s differ from yours slightly, but look at the formulas.
I also see you had a huge prepaid principal payments planned so I worked that into my numbers as well.

With regards to Auto Loans, I used bankrate's amortization calculator and just put in your stated original loan amount, term, and interest.
The monthly payment calculated was different than what you stated. I'm also not sure of the reason but possibly you initially had some fees tacked in or you made a slightly larger payment up front.
In my analysis, I used your existing remaining principal on each loan and your stated minimum monthly payment so I think it should be close.
I also kept your escrow payment the way you have it and kept the the same later, though I know that changes based on property tax/hazard.


If you can import your excel to google sheets and share it, I will be able to see your formulas and hopefully understand how you came up with your numbers.
(If you do share, create a copy of what you have, strip out any personally identifying information and share via URL so your account will remain private)


While below charts are not for refi, but more so purchase, it gives you an idea of the spread from last March/early April compared to now.

15-year (select 1-year) https://ycharts.com/indicators/15...tgage_rate
30-year (select 1-year) https://ycharts.com/indicators/30...tgage_rate

For the cash-out refi analysis, I ran a quote on AimLon using Florida [just a guess but if you let us know we can find lenders that work in your state]
You might be able to do better than AimLoan but I used them as a benchmark for the refi analysis.
If I put your figures in their quick rate calculator and use the county Miami-Dade, they quote 2.750 with ~$680 in fees.
My assumption based on the spread from 2.125% to 2.75% is that if you jump to 3.25% they could provide a larger lender rebate.
Also, I believe but not 100% that transfer tax would not apply since you are not changing the owner on your deed so you can remove the $1,000 cost there.
I think at 3.25% you would essentially have a no-cost refi, if not make money since credit might cover some prepaid interest and escrows.
This is also under the assumption they let you do a cash-out refi up to 74% LTV and your home is appraised at $245K.


I will be away until late evening today so if you reply, I will try to check out any replys later tonight.

I didn't get a chance to finish my google sheets but I will do that tonight for the "refi calculation".

https://docs.google.com/spreadshe...sp=sharing
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08-26-2020 at 10:22 AM.
08-26-2020 at 10:22 AM.
Who here has either closed or is in the process of closing (have received initial closing disclosures) with LC? If they are really taking 60 days to close, those who applied beginning of July should be getting their CDs now.
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08-26-2020 at 10:47 AM.
08-26-2020 at 10:47 AM.
Delay in the new fee is reflecting in rates today.

http://www.mortgagenewsdaily.com/...daily.aspx
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08-26-2020 at 10:48 AM.
08-26-2020 at 10:48 AM.
Quote from exark :
Delay in the new fee is reflecting in rates today.

http://www.mortgagenewsdaily.com/...daily.aspx
Wow. Good Drop
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08-26-2020 at 10:48 AM.
08-26-2020 at 10:48 AM.
I have an offer for 2.625% zero cost from Loan Depot. Better and LenderFi are so far off I can't even consider them. I've also applied to WaterMark and Loan Cabin but I've yet to hear back from them. Should I lock this rate with Loan Depot? Can I still ask for the rate to be lowered if I get a better offer from competitor later?

Loan Amount $650k, LTV 45% (Non jumbo loan)
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08-26-2020 at 11:25 AM.
08-26-2020 at 11:25 AM.
LO from LD got back to me. Told me "our loan is locked and no cost loan and was not impacted by any of the FHFA announcements prior. Pricing didn't change."
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08-26-2020 at 12:37 PM.
08-26-2020 at 12:37 PM.
Quote from MeAPhool :
Thanks, this information definitely helps with analysis. I will put something together on Google Sheets and share this with you.
If your SOLAR loan has a lien on the home, then we definitely need to re-work the plan slightly.

Here are 2 key thought right off the bat.
  1. I would also use the avalanche method (pay off higher interest first) as opposed to snowball (pay off smallest loan amounts) to save on interest.
  2. On average, rates on both 15/30 yr fixed are about .25% lower or more since the end of March so you might want to check again. Your rates seemed high.

Based on your chart, I create an excel which I imported to Google Sheets and converted to formulas.
I made it read-only for now, but I think you can create a copy and manipulate it based on the rates you actually find.


Using interest/12 * Remaining Loan Amount, I was unable to match your interest payment amount listed on your Solar/Pool/House.
I based my sheets on stated interest/12 * remaining loan amount so my #'s differ from yours slightly, but look at the formulas.
I also see you had a huge prepaid principal payments planned so I worked that into my numbers as well.

With regards to Auto Loans, I used bankrate's amortization calculator and just put in your stated original loan amount, term, and interest.
The monthly payment calculated was different than what you stated. I'm also not sure of the reason but possibly you initially had some fees tacked in or you made a slightly larger payment up front.
In my analysis, I used your existing remaining principal on each loan and your stated minimum monthly payment so I think it should be close.
I also kept your escrow payment the way you have it and kept the the same later, though I know that changes based on property tax/hazard.


If you can import your excel to google sheets and share it, I will be able to see your formulas and hopefully understand how you came up with your numbers.
(If you do share, create a copy of what you have, strip out any personally identifying information and share via URL so your account will remain private)


While below charts are not for refi, but more so purchase, it gives you an idea of the spread from last March/early April compared to now.

15-year (select 1-year) https://ycharts.com/indicators/15...tgage_rate
30-year (select 1-year) https://ycharts.com/indicators/30...tgage_rate

For the cash-out refi analysis, I ran a quote on AimLon using Florida [just a guess but if you let us know we can find lenders that work in your state]
You might be able to do better than AimLoan but I used them as a benchmark for the refi analysis.
If I put your figures in their quick rate calculator and use the county Miami-Dade, they quote 2.750 with ~$680 in fees.
My assumption based on the spread from 2.125% to 2.75% is that if you jump to 3.25% they could provide a larger lender rebate.
Also, I believe but not 100% that transfer tax would not apply since you are not changing the owner on your deed so you can remove the $1,000 cost there.
I think at 3.25% you would essentially have a no-cost refi, if not make money since credit might cover some prepaid interest and escrows.
This is also under the assumption they let you do a cash-out refi up to 74% LTV and your home is appraised at $245K.
Thanks. I sent you a PM and a link. I sent you this as well, but also want to post this part for others to see and respond to...


Equity Loan quoted by Florida Central CU - 5 year fixed @ 4.25%. $5,854 cash in hand minus any fees which I don't have any details. Should be minimal.

4.25% Equity Loan, $70,000 cash - Total 1st & EL = $182,000 (74% LTV)
  Principal P&I Interest
Equity Loan $199,585.71 $222,990.07 $23,404.36
Current $194,722.28 $219,180.68 $24,458.40
Difference $4,863.43 $3,809.39 $(1,054.04)
Biggest savings on this is the Pool loan of $37,000 at 7.99% and Solar of $28,000 at 4.99% both drop to 4.25% using the EL. House stays at 3.875%. EL will be paid off in 35 months @ $1,713/mo with an added $4,400 payment from next year's solar tax credit, then up to $2,513/mo after the 2 cars are paid off in 22 months.

Refi quote by Pennymac (my current home loan) 15 yr fixed conventional. About $10,237 in fees: $6,495 disc points, 1,174 orig rest is title fee. $8,854 cash in hand after paying off Pool/Solar.

2.375% (2.963 APR) Refi w/ $73,000 cash - Total Refi = $196,000 (80% LTV)
  Principal P&I Interest
Refi $213,175.88 $228,405.32 $15,229.44
Current $194,722.28 $219,180.68 $24,458.40
Difference $18,453.60 $9,224.64 $(9,228.96)
This lowers the pool, solar, and home loans to 2.375% using the Refi. It will be paid off in 72 months at $2,300/mo with same tax credit injection next year and additional $800 when 2 cars are paid off.

The problem in my head is I'm comparing my current 68 month payoff to the Refi's 72 month payoff which to me is my apples to apples comparison - bottom line, final numbers I plan to pay. I don't care about anything after that point. Loan officers want to say "you're cutting down from 360 to 180 payments, and you're saving $50-$70k in interest over my current 26½ year loan term" - that's through the end of the loan life though. I already know how much I'm saving on my own by paying the current loans off in 68 months instead of 318 months. The loan officers keep pushing that I'm looking at it wrong due to different interest rates on the other loans that I'm combining and the overall payment each month.

I agree that MOST people call these officers looking to lower their payments each month, payoff cc debt, consolidate, etc - the lower rate and interest savings over their 15/30 year payoff is icing on the cake to them. For me, it's not. I will continually pay all the loans with $3,415 each month for the next 68-72 months no matter how low much the actual loan payments are. It's how I apply the $3,415 each month to which loans that will make a difference for me. If I refi, I'm adding fees that I don't have currently to save an equal amount in interest. I'm also getting a few thousand back for my shed so add that to the total.

I feel as though they are making me say to myself "I should maybe look at it like this":

Currently I have a total of $194,722 in loans with different interest rates and will pay $24,458 in interest total... BUT if I refi and combine I will have $213,175 ($202,938 actual money after deducting closing costs) in loans at a lower interest rate, but will only pay $15,229 in interest. This means that I keep more in my pocket by apply more to the principal and paying less interest on more money (more bang for my buck)? So net in my portfolio would be $17,445 ($8,216 more principal and $9,229 more interest)?

If so I guess that's just hard to picture in my head, and that $10k in fees and costs is like a thorn in my side thinking about it!
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