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Details on how to understand the Mortgage basics and information that I understand for your learning can be accessed on this post (Click this hyperlink to go to the post); If you are new to this process and have questions this is a Must Read before asking question on the forum!


Reviving my over a decade old thread from SD and FW as the rates have gotten competitive. This thread is a SD community thread to compare and post best rates received along with their lender experience for a quick compare and estimation from a starting point.


Please note that rates will vary on quite a few factors and just because one person has a rate will not guarantee you will receive the same rate but simply use this as a guide and negotiation tactic.

All below rates are based on assumptions of certain LTV, DTI, & Excellent Credit Scores:

30 Year Fixed best rates (Assuming Good Credit & 20% down, low LTV, low DTI, etc etc):
All listed lenders are here because I shopped them and have encountered competitive pricing and not because I get any sort of a kickback....use this as a gauge for the latest but note that things can change week to week, day to day and even hour to hour:

07/14/2021 2.875% Better.com- Will consider Lender Match to beat Competitors and combine with Amex cashback (Click here for additional Forum thread details). Amex's "Digital Assist" Team @ 800-297-7500

07/14/2021 2.875% LoanDepot.com - Is competitive but works better if you have another offer for them. My LO Luke Dean
[email protected] 949-652-4521

07/14/2021 BSMFunding (David Pressel) - Call to get the latest rates (no published online). Very competitive rates; get everything in writing via email!
https://bsmfunding.mymortgage-onl...essel.html
David Pressel (NMLS: 562175)- Branch Manager - Phone: 908-208-2036
[email protected]
07/14/2021 2.5% LoanCabin [loancabin.com] - Most Competitive but refinance times have grow to almost 6 months for many people so proceed with caution as recent reviews indicate normal 1 month closing. Generally do not charge for big Lender Fees (A+B on LE) as they are under $100 in most cases; esp if appraisal is waived for your scenario.

07/14/2021 3% LenderFi - Competitive but might be slow and not work on beating other lender rates.
30 Year Fixed Jumbo Best Rates (Assuming Good Credit & 20% down):
TBD
15 year Fixed:
07/14/2021 2.0 % Better.com; matches Bankrate rates for themselves.
07/04/2020 2.5% NIH Credit Union with Lender Credit
Title Company Comparisions:
RadianTitleDirect.com - OP has used them for almost a decade with getting best rates (closed after Covid, Lender must submit order as consumer side is closed).
ALTTitle.com
https://www.valerotitle.com/ - Texas only.
Alphabetical list of other lenders (some could be non-proven without direct member experiences posted here):
  1. AimLoan - Will provide LE without hard pull if credit is frozen https://www.aimloan.com/
  2. Amerisave - will give you scores from all 3 bureaus with just a soft pull https://www.amerisave.com/
  3. Better.com https://better.com/
  4. BoxHomeLoans https://www.boxhomeloans.com/
  5. Close Your Own Loan https://www.closeyourownloan.com/...sults.aspx
  6. Colonial Mort http://www.colonialmort.com/
  7. HighTechLending http://www.hightechlending.co/Default.aspx
  8. Interactive Mortgage https://interactivemortgage.com/ Eric from IM is super rude so good luck dealing with this guy!
  9. LenderFi https://www.lenderfi.com [lenderfi.com]if the link wont work try this backend link: https://app.lenderfi.com/app/sign...r/lenderfi
  10. Loan Cabin https://www.loancabin.com/
  11. Loan Depot https://www.loandepot.com/
  12. LoanLock https://www.loanlock.com/
  13. NavyFederal CU https://www.navyfederal.org/
  14. NIH credit union (Delware, District of Columbia, Maryland, North Carolina, Pennsylvania, Virginia, West Virginia) https://www.nihfcu.org/
  15. Northpointe Bank https://www.northpointe.com/
  16. Owning.com (Operates only in CA) https://owning.com/
  17. Pentagon Federal CU https://www.penfed.org/
  18. Provident Funding - will give LE without locking rate https://www.provident.com/
  19. RatePlus (California) https://www.rateplus.com/
  20. Travis Credit Union (12 North Cal Counties only) https://www.traviscu.org/ Eligibility traviscu.org
  21. United wholesale mortgages https://www.uwm.com/
  22. Watermark Home Loans https://www.watermarkhomeloans.com/
  23. West Coast Mortgage Associates (The loan broker is in So.Cal. Debbie Morgan) https://wcmtg.com/


Shahhere

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Quote from MeAPhool :
I think a lot of people get confused with regards to "no closing cost". Specifically I think that is with regards to A+B+C (as referenced in this post by volcomssj48 - https://slickdeals.net/forums/showpost.php?p=138543920&postcount=138)

As per volcomssj48, this is a good place to go for a basic understanding of the LE (Loan Estimate) that should be provided to you by each lender once you give all of your information: https://www.consumerfinance.gov/o...-estimate/

I'm in NJ so I can't really shop Title Insurance much as it's the cost is regulated by the state, however in other states, you can really cut down some of the costs in section "C".
Good site for daily mortgage news. Subscribe to their daily mortgage rate news to learn about their predictions. Also take a look at the rest of their site.
http://www.mortgagenewsdaily.com/...age_rates/



Potential Lenders - Mentioned in Thread
*Please add to this list and add locality if applicable*

  1. Loan Cabin https://www.loancabin.com/
  2. Better.com https://better.com/
  3. Interactive Mortgage https://interactivemortgage.com/
  4. LenderFi https://www.lenderfi.com/
  5. owning.com (Operates only in CA) https://owning.com/
  6. NIH credit union (Delware, District of Columbia, Maryland, North Carolina, Pennsylvania, Virginia, West Virginia) https://www.nihfcu.org/
  7. Loan Depot https://www.loandepot.com/
  8. Travis Credit Union (12 North Cal Counties only) https://www.traviscu.org/ Eligibility [traviscu.org]
  9. Pentagon Federal CU https://www.penfed.org/
  10. Interactive Mortgage https://interactivemortgage.com/
  11. NavyFederal CU https://www.navyfederal.org/
  12. United wholesale mortgages https://www.uwm.com/
  13. BoxHomeLoans https://www.boxhomeloans.com/
  14. LoanLock https://www.loanlock.com/
  15. West Coast Mortgage Associates (The loan broker is in So.Cal. Debbie Morgan) https://wcmtg.com/
  16. RatePlus (California) https://www.rateplus.com/
  17. Northpointe Bank https://www.northpointe.com/
  18. HighTechLending https://hightechlending.mortgagewebcenter.com/
  19. Close Your Own Loan https://www.closeyourownloan.com/...sults.aspx
  20. AimLoan - will give LE without hard pull if credit is frozen https://www.aimloan.com/
  21. Amerisave - will give you scores from all 3 bureaus with just a soft pull
    https://www.amerisave.com/
  22. Provident - will give LE without locking rate https://www.provident.com/ Best Credit Back with 60% LTV or better.
  23. Watermark Home Loans https://www.watermarkhomeloans.com/ Skip these guys. They are being rude to Slickdealers. In one occasion they have explicitly said they don't want to do business with people from Slickdeals. They also have an approach where they give you the best rate initially and just raise it more each time you ask.
  24. Colonial Mort http://www.colonialmort.com/
  25. Annie Mac https://www.annie-mac.com/ Licensed in these states https://www.annie-mac.com/page/licensed-states/
  26. Rate Rabbit https://www.raterabbit.com/ Licensed in MA and others [raterabbit.com]

Discount lenders who DO NOT accept fully documented in tax returns self-employment income:
Owning.com
BoxHomeLoans
Lower.com

Discount Lenders that DO accept fully documented in tax returns self-employment income:
Sebonic
Caliber
Sage

Title Company Shopping
AltTitle.com
mytitlegenius.com (formerly entitle direct)
TO AVOID - Settlement LTD (local Pittsburgh run away from them - high cost, very bad service, lot of delays)


Feel Free to Add Sections for Each Lender - MeAPhool

Loan Cabin - DetailsWARNING. DO NOT GO WITH LOAN CABIN. TRUST ME.
I would have lost the home if i was trying to buy a house.
I just had a normal refi and it took then 127 days to close. out of the 27 emails i sent, they responded to 3. I even had to call (complain) their main office 2 times to get a response to any emails. they screwed the closing paperwork as well.


Loan Cabin does not charge lender fees. Actually all of this is in their FAQ but of course nobody reads anything and wants everything spoon fed.

This means A+B (reference the link above in the wiki regarding Loan Estimate) in the Loan Estimate should be 0 (as long as your appraisal is waived).

You will be responsible for Title Cost (of course you can shop that to your heart's delight)
You will be responsible for Recording Fee in your county
You will be responsible for Escrows (if you so choose OR if you are close to Homeowner's OR Property Tax payment - though you can negotiate and show evidence to get it waived. Most lender's will waive it if you are choosing not to escrow and you can show proof that you paid the upcoming Property Tax or Homeowner's Insurance)

You will be responsible for Prepaid Interest (this isn't a cost. If you didn't refinance, you'd be paying the interest at your current mortgage rate which I assume would be higher).

Lender Credit - If this covers A+B+C+E then you have a no-cost refinance. If you have a surplus aside from A+B+C+E, then technically you made money on your refinance.


If you apply and do no hear back for 3 days, then on the 3rd business day, reach out to [email protected]. They will usually help get a response on your application within a day.



If the information in this WIKI does not cover your questions, then please ask. We will answer and update WIKI accordingly.

Thanks - MeAPhool

Quote from arouncoumar :
For those needing clarity on LC closing costs, I was on the same boat. See what they charge here https://www.dropbox.com/s/r30ecea...t.png?dl=0
Quote from PeterLegend :
Here is a photo of my loan estimate from Loan Cabin, my lender credits should be closer to 3K based on my initial conversations with Bob so i'm following up with him on that.

I do see title insurance in my estimate. I reached out to Owning but I didn't quality for the no cost refinance option since my LTV was 73%, it has to be 50% or lower when I spoke to them.

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lanb
09-18-2020 at 02:35 PM.
09-18-2020 at 02:35 PM.
Just got my closing disclosures from HTL and there are some discrepancies in the closing & recording fees, which I pointed out to them.
The LO replied that this is still an estimate and not final. Is this true ?

Even if true, I am surprised that they are still "estimating" in this late stage and want me to sign off on it
to start the 3 day rescinding period.
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09-18-2020 at 02:46 PM.
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Quote from MeAPhool :
Is the extra $2,876 in lender credit worth the difference in interest that you might save over time (depends on how long you stay in the home).

Rate P&I Total Interest Breakeven w/o Equity Breakeven w/ Equity
2.625% $1,747.18 $193,984.73 N/A N/A
2.75% $1,775.85 $204,305.69 ~100 months (8 yrs 4 mos) ~66 months (5yrs 6 mos)
Difference $28.67 $10,320.96  

Principal Balance after 66 months @ 2.625% = $378,575.69
Principal Balance after 66 months @ 2.75% = $379,564.41 (Difference of $988.72)
Interest saved after 66 months = 28.67*66 = $1,892.22

$988.72 + $ 1892.22 = $2,880.94 (This covers the extra lender credit at 2.75%)

For me, even with equity, 5 year break-even is a long time. I'd probably take the cash and go with 2.75%.
Amazing analysis! Apprecaite it!

Facts I forgot to include, this is our forever home we will not be moving 99.999% sure. In fact our cash out refi is for home improvement (swimming pool and other things).

Would your recommendation for 2.75 verse 2.625 change knowing we plan to rate and term refi into a hopefully lower rate in 6 months time? I guess if we plan to refi if rates stay low, taking the higher rate makes more sense to get the extra cash now?
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presto987
09-18-2020 at 03:28 PM.
09-18-2020 at 03:28 PM.
Quote from saurabhdani :
If I lock 15 year rate with Loan Cabin, can I switch to a 30 year rate later, after approval from underwriting? The monthly payment will be less for 30 year term, so if I get approved for a 15 year term, I should get approved for 30 year term too (in theory).
Today 15 year has better rate. I am okay with today's 30 year rate too, but to lock it for 60 days I need to pay 3300 extra on that rate. So, I am trying to find a way to avoid this. 3300 if the rates stay same for next 45-60 days.
MadeInAP already answered your question, but I didn't understand your last paragraph. My understanding is that LC is not currently allowing locks less than 60 days. Has that changed?
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09-18-2020 at 03:37 PM.
09-18-2020 at 03:37 PM.
Quote from zakster :
Owning has the below rate today for Loan Amounts Up To $510,400. I haven't seen it this low before. Not sure how they are lowering rates today as all other lenders are raising!

30 YR FIXED
2.25%RATE
2.413%APR
That rate requires you to pay around 2 points.
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marble597
09-18-2020 at 03:48 PM.
09-18-2020 at 03:48 PM.
Just closed today with LenderFi.

Loan = $249k

ABCE = $1515
Lender Credit = $1287

3.0%, 30yr fixed

I did try to get them to do a float down on the rate as at one point close to closing rates were trending about 0.25% then when I had locked. They would not agree.

Overall happy with the experience although they were a little flaky, I would not use for a purchase transaction where time is essential. My rate lock expired 9/11 and I closed today (delays not due to any fault of any mine, I responded to all document requests same day) and they did hold the same rate/credits.
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09-18-2020 at 05:02 PM.
Quote from presto987 :
That rate requires you to pay around 2 points.
Where do you see that fine print ?
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09-18-2020 at 05:21 PM.
09-18-2020 at 05:21 PM.
Quote from zakster :
Where do you see that fine print ?
If you click the disclosures link, there is another link that says click here to see monthly payments. That brings you to this page:
https://owning.com/terms-mortgage-payment/

Here you can see that a 30-year rate of 2.25% with 2 points gives you an APR of 2.422%. That is pretty close to the APR shown on the homepage.

Owning used to advertise no cost loans. Then they started to advertise rates that looked like they had 1 point attached, as the APR wasn't that much higher than the rate. Now they are going lower in rate but the gap between the APR and the rate has increased.
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Quote from presto987 :
If you click the disclosures link, there is another link that says click here to see monthly payments. That brings you to this page:
https://owning.com/terms-mortgage-payment/

Here you can see that a 30-year rate of 2.25% with 2 points gives you an APR of 2.422%. That is pretty close to the APR shown on the homepage.

Owning used to advertise no cost loans. Then they started to advertise rates that looked like they had 1 point attached, as the APR wasn't that much higher than the rate. Now they are going lower in rate but the gap between the APR and the rate has increased.
Yes, they used to announce zero closing, now they use some clever marketing terms like your last refi and no fuss no muss. If the interest rate and apr are not same then it's not zero cost.
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09-18-2020 at 07:29 PM.
09-18-2020 at 07:29 PM.
Quote from presto987 :
If you click the disclosures link, there is another link that says click here to see monthly payments. That brings you to this page:
https://owning.com/terms-mortgage-payment/

Here you can see that a 30-year rate of 2.25% with 2 points gives you an APR of 2.422%. That is pretty close to the APR shown on the homepage.

Owning used to advertise no cost loans. Then they started to advertise rates that looked like they had 1 point attached, as the APR wasn't that much higher than the rate. Now they are going lower in rate but the gap between the APR and the rate has increased.
Quote from MadeInAP :
Yes, they used to announce zero closing, now they use some clever marketing terms like your last refi and no fuss no muss. If the interest rate and apr are not same then it's not zero cost.
Yep this. I talked to a LO there (who had helped a friend refi when they were doing true no cost) a few days before the change when official on their webpage. He said Owning was changing all their rules and wanted borrowers to "have skin in the game". Think they were sick of getting refi'd out in less than 6 months.
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09-18-2020 at 07:33 PM.
09-18-2020 at 07:33 PM.
Quote from Johny707 :
Amazing analysis! Apprecaite it!

Facts I forgot to include, this is our forever home we will not be moving 99.999% sure. In fact our cash out refi is for home improvement (swimming pool and other things).

Would your recommendation for 2.75 verse 2.625 change knowing we plan to rate and term refi into a hopefully lower rate in 6 months time? I guess if we plan to refi if rates stay low, taking the higher rate makes more sense to get the extra cash now?
It definitely changes it. If you're going to refi in 6 months than you definitely should take the 2.75/extra lender credits. But that's not the full story. If that's your plan (and nothing inherently wrong), you're really gambling on what rates will be like in 6 months. Maybe they stay the same and you can get in a 2.625 at that time with no cost (or they even go lower) in which case you would've made the right choice on the 2.75. But if they go up at all, and you can't get 2.625 no cost, then 5 years from now, you'll start to be 'losing money'

I agree the 5 years is quite a long break even. I'd probably take the 2.75 and try to refi sooner than the 6 months you have mentally prepared for (EDIT: unless you're going with LenderFi, or another lender requiring you sign that you won't refi too soon).
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09-18-2020 at 07:44 PM.
09-18-2020 at 07:44 PM.
Better axed my closing date one day before, again. I'll wait until funding confirmation before saying mission accomplished.

They hope closing is next week, but they have no idea. As a puppet once said, fool me once, shame on you, fool me twice, you're not going to fool me again.
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09-18-2020 at 08:03 PM.
09-18-2020 at 08:03 PM.
Quote from presto987 :
If you click the disclosures link, there is another link that says click here to see monthly payments. That brings you to this page:
https://owning.com/terms-mortgage-payment/

Here you can see that a 30-year rate of 2.25% with 2 points gives you an APR of 2.422%. That is pretty close to the APR shown on the homepage.

Owning used to advertise no cost loans. Then they started to advertise rates that looked like they had 1 point attached, as the APR wasn't that much higher than the rate. Now they are going lower in rate but the gap between the APR and the rate has increased.
So, technically now it has turned to a no cost 2.5% loan 😃
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09-18-2020 at 08:08 PM.
09-18-2020 at 08:08 PM.
Quote from BMWZ8Bond :
It definitely changes it. If you're going to refi in 6 months than you definitely should take the 2.75/extra lender credits. But that's not the full story. If that's your plan (and nothing inherently wrong), you're really gambling on what rates will be like in 6 months. Maybe they stay the same and you can get in a 2.625 at that time with no cost (or they even go lower) in which case you would've made the right choice on the 2.75. But if they go up at all, and you can't get 2.625 no cost, then 5 years from now, you'll start to be 'losing money'

I agree the 5 years is quite a long break even. I'd probably take the 2.75 and try to refi sooner than the 6 months you have mentally prepared for (EDIT: unless you're going with LenderFi, or another lender requiring you sign that you won't refi too soon).
Thanks. I am heavily leaning on the 2.75%. I should add right now I have a 2.99% 15 year so at least the 2.75% lower than I have now.

I was thinking 6 months because I read that is the rule from coming out of a cash out refi into a rate/term refi. If I do it sooner than 6 months they will treat it as another cash out even tho I take no cash and therefor I won't get as good a rate offer?
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09-18-2020 at 08:09 PM.
Quote from Johny707 :
Any one successfully close with Ally? Not get pushed back past the lock period?

Yes, closed in about 32 days. Overall, a very smooth process.
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09-18-2020 at 08:15 PM.
Quote from zakster :
So, technically now it has turned to a no cost 2.5% loan 😃
Will better match this?

Something like $8k points on 2.25 makes no sense to go with owning.
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