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Details on how to understand the Mortgage basics and information that I understand for your learning can be accessed on this post (Click this hyperlink to go to the post); If you are new to this process and have questions this is a Must Read before asking question on the forum!


Reviving my over a decade old thread from SD and FW as the rates have gotten competitive. This thread is a SD community thread to compare and post best rates received along with their lender experience for a quick compare and estimation from a starting point.


Please note that rates will vary on quite a few factors and just because one person has a rate will not guarantee you will receive the same rate but simply use this as a guide and negotiation tactic.

All below rates are based on assumptions of certain LTV, DTI, & Excellent Credit Scores:

30 Year Fixed best rates (Assuming Good Credit & 20% down, low LTV, low DTI, etc etc):
All listed lenders are here because I shopped them and have encountered competitive pricing and not because I get any sort of a kickback....use this as a gauge for the latest but note that things can change week to week, day to day and even hour to hour:

07/14/2021 2.875% Better.com- Will consider Lender Match to beat Competitors and combine with Amex cashback (Click here for additional Forum thread details). Amex's "Digital Assist" Team @ 800-297-7500

07/14/2021 2.875% LoanDepot.com - Is competitive but works better if you have another offer for them. My LO Luke Dean
[email protected] 949-652-4521

07/14/2021 BSMFunding (David Pressel) - Call to get the latest rates (no published online). Very competitive rates; get everything in writing via email!
https://bsmfunding.mymortgage-onl...essel.html
David Pressel (NMLS: 562175)- Branch Manager - Phone: 908-208-2036
[email protected]
07/14/2021 2.5% LoanCabin [loancabin.com] - Most Competitive but refinance times have grow to almost 6 months for many people so proceed with caution as recent reviews indicate normal 1 month closing. Generally do not charge for big Lender Fees (A+B on LE) as they are under $100 in most cases; esp if appraisal is waived for your scenario.

07/14/2021 3% LenderFi - Competitive but might be slow and not work on beating other lender rates.
30 Year Fixed Jumbo Best Rates (Assuming Good Credit & 20% down):
TBD
15 year Fixed:
07/14/2021 2.0 % Better.com; matches Bankrate rates for themselves.
07/04/2020 2.5% NIH Credit Union with Lender Credit
Title Company Comparisions:
RadianTitleDirect.com - OP has used them for almost a decade with getting best rates (closed after Covid, Lender must submit order as consumer side is closed).
ALTTitle.com
https://www.valerotitle.com/ - Texas only.
Alphabetical list of other lenders (some could be non-proven without direct member experiences posted here):
  1. AimLoan - Will provide LE without hard pull if credit is frozen https://www.aimloan.com/
  2. Amerisave - will give you scores from all 3 bureaus with just a soft pull https://www.amerisave.com/
  3. Better.com https://better.com/
  4. BoxHomeLoans https://www.boxhomeloans.com/
  5. Close Your Own Loan https://www.closeyourownloan.com/...sults.aspx
  6. Colonial Mort http://www.colonialmort.com/
  7. HighTechLending http://www.hightechlending.co/Default.aspx
  8. Interactive Mortgage https://interactivemortgage.com/ Eric from IM is super rude so good luck dealing with this guy!
  9. LenderFi https://www.lenderfi.com [lenderfi.com]if the link wont work try this backend link: https://app.lenderfi.com/app/sign...r/lenderfi
  10. Loan Cabin https://www.loancabin.com/
  11. Loan Depot https://www.loandepot.com/
  12. LoanLock https://www.loanlock.com/
  13. NavyFederal CU https://www.navyfederal.org/
  14. NIH credit union (Delware, District of Columbia, Maryland, North Carolina, Pennsylvania, Virginia, West Virginia) https://www.nihfcu.org/
  15. Northpointe Bank https://www.northpointe.com/
  16. Owning.com (Operates only in CA) https://owning.com/
  17. Pentagon Federal CU https://www.penfed.org/
  18. Provident Funding - will give LE without locking rate https://www.provident.com/
  19. RatePlus (California) https://www.rateplus.com/
  20. Travis Credit Union (12 North Cal Counties only) https://www.traviscu.org/ Eligibility traviscu.org
  21. United wholesale mortgages https://www.uwm.com/
  22. Watermark Home Loans https://www.watermarkhomeloans.com/
  23. West Coast Mortgage Associates (The loan broker is in So.Cal. Debbie Morgan) https://wcmtg.com/


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Quote from MeAPhool :
I think a lot of people get confused with regards to "no closing cost". Specifically I think that is with regards to A+B+C (as referenced in this post by volcomssj48 - https://slickdeals.net/forums/showpost.php?p=138543920&postcount=138)

As per volcomssj48, this is a good place to go for a basic understanding of the LE (Loan Estimate) that should be provided to you by each lender once you give all of your information: https://www.consumerfinance.gov/o...-estimate/

I'm in NJ so I can't really shop Title Insurance much as it's the cost is regulated by the state, however in other states, you can really cut down some of the costs in section "C".
Good site for daily mortgage news. Subscribe to their daily mortgage rate news to learn about their predictions. Also take a look at the rest of their site.
http://www.mortgagenewsdaily.com/...age_rates/



Potential Lenders - Mentioned in Thread
*Please add to this list and add locality if applicable*

  1. Loan Cabin https://www.loancabin.com/
  2. Better.com https://better.com/
  3. Interactive Mortgage https://interactivemortgage.com/
  4. LenderFi https://www.lenderfi.com/
  5. owning.com (Operates only in CA) https://owning.com/
  6. NIH credit union (Delware, District of Columbia, Maryland, North Carolina, Pennsylvania, Virginia, West Virginia) https://www.nihfcu.org/
  7. Loan Depot https://www.loandepot.com/
  8. Travis Credit Union (12 North Cal Counties only) https://www.traviscu.org/ Eligibility [traviscu.org]
  9. Pentagon Federal CU https://www.penfed.org/
  10. Interactive Mortgage https://interactivemortgage.com/
  11. NavyFederal CU https://www.navyfederal.org/
  12. United wholesale mortgages https://www.uwm.com/
  13. BoxHomeLoans https://www.boxhomeloans.com/
  14. LoanLock https://www.loanlock.com/
  15. West Coast Mortgage Associates (The loan broker is in So.Cal. Debbie Morgan) https://wcmtg.com/
  16. RatePlus (California) https://www.rateplus.com/
  17. Northpointe Bank https://www.northpointe.com/
  18. HighTechLending https://hightechlending.mortgagewebcenter.com/
  19. Close Your Own Loan https://www.closeyourownloan.com/...sults.aspx
  20. AimLoan - will give LE without hard pull if credit is frozen https://www.aimloan.com/
  21. Amerisave - will give you scores from all 3 bureaus with just a soft pull
    https://www.amerisave.com/
  22. Provident - will give LE without locking rate https://www.provident.com/ Best Credit Back with 60% LTV or better.
  23. Watermark Home Loans https://www.watermarkhomeloans.com/ Skip these guys. They are being rude to Slickdealers. In one occasion they have explicitly said they don't want to do business with people from Slickdeals. They also have an approach where they give you the best rate initially and just raise it more each time you ask.
  24. Colonial Mort http://www.colonialmort.com/
  25. Annie Mac https://www.annie-mac.com/ Licensed in these states https://www.annie-mac.com/page/licensed-states/
  26. Rate Rabbit https://www.raterabbit.com/ Licensed in MA and others [raterabbit.com]

Discount lenders who DO NOT accept fully documented in tax returns self-employment income:
Owning.com
BoxHomeLoans
Lower.com

Discount Lenders that DO accept fully documented in tax returns self-employment income:
Sebonic
Caliber
Sage

Title Company Shopping
AltTitle.com
mytitlegenius.com (formerly entitle direct)
TO AVOID - Settlement LTD (local Pittsburgh run away from them - high cost, very bad service, lot of delays)


Feel Free to Add Sections for Each Lender - MeAPhool

Loan Cabin - DetailsWARNING. DO NOT GO WITH LOAN CABIN. TRUST ME.
I would have lost the home if i was trying to buy a house.
I just had a normal refi and it took then 127 days to close. out of the 27 emails i sent, they responded to 3. I even had to call (complain) their main office 2 times to get a response to any emails. they screwed the closing paperwork as well.


Loan Cabin does not charge lender fees. Actually all of this is in their FAQ but of course nobody reads anything and wants everything spoon fed.

This means A+B (reference the link above in the wiki regarding Loan Estimate) in the Loan Estimate should be 0 (as long as your appraisal is waived).

You will be responsible for Title Cost (of course you can shop that to your heart's delight)
You will be responsible for Recording Fee in your county
You will be responsible for Escrows (if you so choose OR if you are close to Homeowner's OR Property Tax payment - though you can negotiate and show evidence to get it waived. Most lender's will waive it if you are choosing not to escrow and you can show proof that you paid the upcoming Property Tax or Homeowner's Insurance)

You will be responsible for Prepaid Interest (this isn't a cost. If you didn't refinance, you'd be paying the interest at your current mortgage rate which I assume would be higher).

Lender Credit - If this covers A+B+C+E then you have a no-cost refinance. If you have a surplus aside from A+B+C+E, then technically you made money on your refinance.


If you apply and do no hear back for 3 days, then on the 3rd business day, reach out to [email protected]. They will usually help get a response on your application within a day.



If the information in this WIKI does not cover your questions, then please ask. We will answer and update WIKI accordingly.

Thanks - MeAPhool

Quote from arouncoumar :
For those needing clarity on LC closing costs, I was on the same boat. See what they charge here https://www.dropbox.com/s/r30ecea...t.png?dl=0
Quote from PeterLegend :
Here is a photo of my loan estimate from Loan Cabin, my lender credits should be closer to 3K based on my initial conversations with Bob so i'm following up with him on that.

I do see title insurance in my estimate. I reached out to Owning but I didn't quality for the no cost refinance option since my LTV was 73%, it has to be 50% or lower when I spoke to them.

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09-18-2020 at 10:27 AM.
09-18-2020 at 10:27 AM.
Quote from weigojmi :
Please clarify are we talking about all items listed under section C on the LE? My cost is $1215 with Better. I actually thought it was pretty low. But maybe I should shop it...
Quote from presto987 :
Yes. In my case, section C was originally $1100, and Radian quoted me $900. I agree that $1100-1200 is already pretty good though.

When I reached out to Radian, they got me a quote the same day that I was able to forward to my Better processing expert.
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lenderfi- Closing cost $3992 includes $1755 in loan costs +3608 on other costs -1371 in Lender credits...2.875 @30yrs. No appraisal. SO my cost of doing a refi is $3992 will be rolled into the loan of $183k so my loan is gonna be 187k? when its all said and done.. I currently have 4.5% original loan was for 205k started on 8/26/14

how do i know if this is good? Im not well versed in this stuff
You need to look at the amortization chart for where your breakeven will occur. I have been doing these charts for a few people on the thread. There are many excel templates out there you can get that do similar things, but I just use online calculators and create the table using slickdeals table format:

https://www.bankrate.com/calculat...lator.aspx


You can also try using Bankrate's Breakeven Calculator since you will know your exact figures. The breakeven on the calculator will be slightly longer than mine since you lose a little bit in deducting less interest paid on your tax return.

https://www.bankrate.com/calculat...lator.aspx


The numbers below are based on if you close 10/1/2020. The numbers shift a bit every month you close after but it should at least be a good reference.

I calculated remaining Interest from Oct 1st payment and onward. Including Sept 1st payment, you would have paid $53,205.90 in interest so far. With your current loan terms, you will pay $168,933.76 in total interest. Remaining Interest = $168,933.76 - $53,205.90 = $115,727.86

I will assume your closing cost is what you say and you are not including prepaid's & escrows.

Closing Costs = $3,992.

In your case, since you are adding your closing cost into your principal, the break-even needs to take into account the remaining equity though I have added a break-even w/o equity but that is based only on how long it takes you to recoup your closing cost based on the difference in P&I payments.

The way I did this is by using bankrate.com and looking @ Amortiation Charts for the following scenario:

1) 205K 30yr loan @ 4.5% starting on 8/26/2014
2) 187K 30yr loan @ 2.875% starting on 10/2/2020

Orig Loan Amount Rate P&I Pre-Pay Principal Remaining Interest Payoff Date Breakeven w/o Equity Breakeven w/ Equity
205K 4.5% $1,038.70 N/A $115,727.86 August 26, 2044 N/A N/A
187K 2.875% $775.85 N/A $92,305.62 October 1, 2050 15.18 mo (Round Up 16mo) ~22 months (1yr 10mo)
187K 2.875% $775.85 $262.85 $58,008.31 June 1, 2040 N/A N/A

The reason the break-even w/ equity is longer is because you are paying down principal faster in your current loan since you are already 6 years into it. So the savings in P&I needs to cover the equity that you would have owned if you stayed in your current mortgage.

After your Aug 2022 payment, your remaining balance based on your current 4.5% loan would be: $173,874.95
After your Aug 2022 payment, your remaining balance based on your new 2.875% loan would be: $179,603.42

The difference would be: $5728.47
During the same time frame, you would have saved the difference interest for 22 months ($262.85*22= $5782.70)

The 3rd row above simulates you maintaining your same mortgage payment (prepaying additional $262.85 to principal each month). You can see you knock off about 4 years and you save ~$57K in interest.
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09-18-2020 at 10:54 AM.
09-18-2020 at 10:54 AM.
Quote from Johny707 :
Does UWM match other lender LEs?

Edit ... I may be thinking incorrectly. Is UWM for brokers etc? Or can individuals apply for loans with them? I went to website but it is asking me what time of business I am.
They are wholesale not retail. You need to find a broker who works with UWM. My loan is currently being processed by them.
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09-18-2020 at 10:55 AM.
09-18-2020 at 10:55 AM.
Quote from jd2010 :
Ok we are in underwriting 4 days after initial application from Interactive Mortgage. They are claiming 3 week lead time, we shall see, but so far have been easy to deal with.

2.625 no cost 75% LTV Arizona
take your LE from IM to Better and see uf they will mathc it .. better is much easier to deal with
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09-18-2020 at 10:59 AM.
09-18-2020 at 10:59 AM.
Quote from MadeInAP :
They are wholesale not retail. You need to find a broker who works with UWM. My loan is currently being processed by them.
I have had better lick with taking UWM's LE and having better beat it
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09-18-2020 at 11:07 AM.
09-18-2020 at 11:07 AM.
Quote from MadeInAP :
They are wholesale not retail. You need to find a broker who works with UWM. My loan is currently being processed by them.
Got it. Thank you.
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09-18-2020 at 11:17 AM.
09-18-2020 at 11:17 AM.
Quote from MadeInAP :
You don't have to worry too much about refinance fee if you're dealing with UWM as it said it wouldn't add the fee until the end of this month. So hurry up and lock before that.

https://www.housingwire.com/artic...ty-limits/
how do we apply with UWM i dont see anything there?
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09-18-2020 at 11:37 AM.
09-18-2020 at 11:37 AM.
Quote from k1ngkev1n1 :
how do we apply with UWM i dont see anything there?
https://findamortgagebroker.com/h...yer/Search

You need to find a broker that works with them. This is the site they put up.
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09-18-2020 at 11:42 AM.
09-18-2020 at 11:42 AM.
Quote from AshishA6058 :
take your LE from IM to Better and see uf they will mathc it .. better is much easier to deal with
I second that.

I'm doing a cashout in Texas staying under 80% LTV

Friday 9/11, Better had me pull credit again, took a completing LE, and came back with a competing offer. I pointed out some math errors for them.

Saturday 9/12 Came back with a small change from first lender and better matched again (including the first lenders giftcard offer) I then locked.

Sunday 9/13 Better has ordered an appraisal and appraiser called to schedule with me.

Wed 9/16 Appraiser came and completed appraisal.

Thurs 9/17 I asked to change from 30 year to 20 year to take advantage of lender credits for the same rate since the payment pretty much matched what we were overpaying on current note.

Appraisal came back much higher than my estimate on thursday evening.

They started with a 45 day lock, looks like we'll close in close to 30, probably a few days past.
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09-18-2020 at 11:53 AM.
09-18-2020 at 11:53 AM.
Quote from shahhere :
Soooo you are asking for my secret sauce ....BTW just to put some perspective on this thread that my serial-refinancing threads started almost 13+ years back (on FW) and at that time I believe I might be the first one to post the details of what I am doing (I am sure I wasnt the first one to figure out and do the steps but no one else at that time documented it like I did or posted for that matter).



Simple Reasoning: by taking a higher rate I am getting credits/negative points(Cash) upfront against the hedging risk that I'll refinance again and hence get to keep the money before the break-even point after which I'll be paying interest on the mortgage.


Longer Reasoning: Who knows the future, right? I might move (no plans) or sell (no plan) or get a chance to refinance again at a lower rate (cant control this). Simply put its a risk I am taking if the breakeven is out in the future by at least 4-5 years (or more in some cases). I also consider the money not spent by paying points and the money earned by the negative points valuable at the present time and can invest in other higher interest earning options (discipline)



I've refinanced my primary property at least 13 times that I know of (lol) and have taken a higher rate and hence the higher cash/negative points in at least 9+ of those refinances. 100% of those refinances have never made it past the point where I'd have paid more interest on the loan.


I am in the very small minority in general who can to do this and have it down to a science (still learning a lot so dont get me wrong) and so am not phased by the process as its simply following the instructions and collecting the documentation or staying on top of the process to move it along similar to a project manager. Documentation, once you do it once becomes straightforward for the next refinance, especially if its done in a smaller/closer window of the last refinance. Again I'v had a good loan amount and so the % points are higher; have good credit; no or not a lot of other debt; steady job and finally good credit (840ish at times) to just disclose the small minority comment.



Please note that there is no guarantees and that the plan can backfire but I am okay with the risk. If you dont foresee the right plan then you should take the best rate available without paying too many points to acquire the rate as noted above things can change and if you pay $10,000 to refi but the rates tank then you'd have lost that cash. Do note that the rates are the lowest they have ever been so dont anticipate the rates going down to 0 as that wont be sustainable by the economy.


Sharing what I know and learning what you all share helps develop the right deal options out there and creates a bigger and better opportunity to continue doing this until something prevents me/us from doing that. None of what I am doing is illegal to say the least and at best have figured out a process that is not known by many. Last several months have been uncharted waters even for me as I've never done back to back to back refinances within a 2.5 month window but learning as I go.



Shahhere
This is brilliant, thanks for sharing. I am contemplating following this template!! Big Grin
I just have one follow-up question though. Aren't you continually extending the life of your loan every time you do a refinance? Doesn't that interest all add-up to a significant number or you factor-in that too in lender credits while signing a refinance?
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09-18-2020 at 11:55 AM.
09-18-2020 at 11:55 AM.
Quote from minifigg :
Look, I applaud you. Banks sell our loans AS SOON AS THEY CAN after the paperwork closes. WHY SHOULDN'T YOU DO THE SAME. (essentially), Fire them, hire some other bank, make money.

Bravo! Seriously! We didn't have the stomach for it, but still used your thread to get information and learn a bit about what everyone else was getting/going through. The help I got from you and others has cut years off my mortgage (even if I am paying for it) and for that I am grateful! GOOD LUCK all you Refi-Flippers! Get some cash and make them work!
Maybe one day I will be more risk tolerant. However, today I am just grateful for what I learned on here and how it lit a fire under me to REFI NOW!
Thank you!

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09-18-2020 at 12:00 PM.
09-18-2020 at 12:00 PM.
Quote from jd2010 :
Ok we are in underwriting 4 days after initial application from Interactive Mortgage. They are claiming 3 week lead time, we shall see, but so far have been easy to deal with.

2.625 no cost 75% LTV Arizona
I was one of the lucky few who got locked with IM at 2.375% no-cost for a 30-year. The timeline so far has been very impressive:

Thurs 9/10 - Called to get a quote and locked. Received my LE and disclosures via the secure portal shortly afterward.
Fri 9/11 - Uploaded the requested documents (there were surprisingly few docs requested).
Mon 9/14 - Got assigned a loan processor and received a voicemail and email from her to introduce herself. Said she had reviewed my docs and gotten me into underwriting.
Wed 9/16 - Received conditional approval from underwriting. Got a request for 2 more docs, after which she said she could send out initial closing disclosures.

I think I got a really good processor. In my experience, a lot of what happens is based on the luck of who you get. Every company has good and bad LOs, processors, etc.

I am actually looking to slow the process down, because I have an even better offer from Loan Cabin locked, and I was planning to cancel IM if I'm ever able to get an LE from LC. Don't want IM to waste their time on my file if I'm going to cancel.

Also, I've heard that Owning sometimes closes loans before all the underwriting and everything is even totally finished, which occasionally leads to issues. I wonder if IM does the same.
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09-18-2020 at 12:04 PM.
09-18-2020 at 12:04 PM.
Quote from MeAPhool :
https://findamortgagebroker.com/h...yer/Search [findamortgagebroker.com]

You need to find a broker that works with them. This is the site they put up.
Just as a datapoint, I spoke with 2 different brokers who work with UWM, and I was not able to get a better deal for a 30-year mortgage than what I got from LC, Bayshore, IM, LenderFi, etc.

But YMMV. I am in the sweet spot for loan size and LTV in CA. Others may find a better deal through UWM.

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09-18-2020 at 12:05 PM.
09-18-2020 at 12:05 PM.
Quote from vinhboy :
So judging by all the negative data point in this thread, has ANYONE who started in like August CLOSED yet?
I applied to Better on 8/6 and closed on 8/31. I am now working on my second refi.
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09-18-2020 at 12:06 PM.
09-18-2020 at 12:06 PM.
Quote from presto987 :
I was one of the lucky few who got locked with IM at 2.375% no-cost for a 30-year. The timeline so far has been very impressive:

Thurs 9/10 - Called to get a quote and locked. Received my LE and disclosures via the secure portal shortly afterward.
Fri 9/11 - Uploaded the requested documents (there were surprisingly few docs requested).
Mon 9/14 - Got assigned a loan processor and received a voicemail and email from her to introduce herself. Said she had reviewed my docs and gotten me into underwriting.
Wed 9/16 - Received conditional approval from underwriting. Got a request for 2 more docs, after which she said she could send out initial closing disclosures.

I think I got a really good processor. In my experience, a lot of what happens is based on the luck of who you get. Every company has good and bad LOs, processors, etc.

I am actually looking to slow the process down, because I have an even better offer from Loan Cabin locked, and I was planning to cancel IM if I'm ever able to get an LE from LC. Don't want IM to waste their time on my file if I'm going to cancel.

Also, I've heard that Owning sometimes closes loans before all the underwriting and everything is even totally finished, which occasionally leads to issues. I wonder if IM does the same.

I assume this is in CA and <60% LTV? My LO said that their title fees in CA are SUPER low, and that if you were under 60% LTV that got you to a 2.375% rate for like 1 or 2 days last week. Sounds like no longer available and not available in other states or if over 60% LTV
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09-18-2020 at 12:10 PM.
09-18-2020 at 12:10 PM.
Quote from k1ngkev1n1 :
how do we apply with UWM i dont see anything there?
I'll share the company I'm working with next week as I am expecting to have an LE by then. One problem with this company is that it doesn't provide an LE until it has all the documents but a verbal confirmation of the rate you are going to get. This is different from what companies mentioned on the first page of this thread do to provide an LE. A lot of people here may not like this. I didn't like it myself and didn't provide any documents as I waited for LC to come back but they mailed me for documents everyday until I finally uploaded all the documents. This company is recommended by my friends who closed recently and was told that's how they work.

I have a <200k primary loan with 31% LTV with excellent credit. I was promised 2.375% rate with zero closing (D and E are taken care of at the least) for 15 year fixed, no escrow and can close within a month as UWM is the lender. Don't want to share info based on verbal assurances and hence the wait.
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