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HP Victus Laptop: 16.1" FHD 144Hz, Ryzen 7 8845HS, RTX 4070, 16GB DDR5, 512GB SSD
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In the maintenance and service guide for hp 16-s0xxx models (the best buy model is a 16-s1xxx series) , which is found on the support page in the setup and user guides tab for the exact best buy model ( https://kaas.hpcloud.hp
However, best buy has a datasheet which lists the screen as being "16.1-inch diagonal, FHD (1920 x 1080), 144 Hz, IPS, micro-edge, anti-glare, 300 nits, 62.5% sRGB": https://files.bbystatic
There's also mention of freesync premium in the display section, which isn't mentioned in any other hp marketing material I can find.
As you can see, the spec sheet is at odds with both the hp representative and the maintenance and service guide for hp 16-s0xxx models which is linked on the official support page (though this best buy model is 16-s1xxx).
Assuming the screen specs are those stated by the hp representative, this laptop has pretty good specs for the price. Getting a laptop with a upper-midrange (closer to high end than midrange) current gen cpu, a decent screen, a functionally full power rtx 4070, and 16gb (or more) of ddr5 ram is normally around $1050-$1100 on a decent sale. The 512gb ssd is a bit of a bummer, at this price point it really should have 1tb, but otherwise this laptop ticks most of the right boxes. If the screen only has 62.5% srgb coverage, then it's value proposition is a fair bit worse imo, though having freesync premium (once again assuming the best buy spec sheet is correct) at least helps compensate.
The Ryzen 7 8845HS cpu in this laptop is essentially a refreshed version of the r7 7840hs with better npu performance for ai, the uplift in performance outside ai tasks is fairly minor. Still, having 8 current gen zen4 cores and the rdna3 radeon 780m igpu means this cpu is high end overall, and should offer an excellent mix of performance and battery life. The cpu in this laptop is more than sufficient for any games you can play with the mobile 4070, the gpu will almost always be the bottleneck. Productivity performance should also be fairly good.
The mobile rtx 4070 is essentially just a mobile rtx 4060 with more cores enabled, it's still held back by a minuscule memory bus width, having only 8gb of vram, and being voltage limited such that it can't take advantage of more than 100 watts of power while gaming. The 8gb of vram relegate the mobile 4070 to being a 1080p card, and it may even struggle at 1080p with new AAA games a few years down the line. Overall, the mobile 4070 is around ~20% faster on average in gaming compared to the mobile rtx 4060. Therefore, at ~$1000 the value proposition of this laptop with the 4070 is fairly similar (slightly worse value, but that's expected for a higher tier product) to that of 4060 laptops with good specs, which go for around $800 on a good sale. The 4070 in this laptop should have a tgp of 120w based off of this page: ( https://support.hp.com/us-en/docu...8109292-16 ), meaning it's technically not a full power variant. However, the mobile 4070's performance in gaming stops scaling past 100w, so you're not actually losing any gaming performance: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jMMrh6P
The next step up over the mobile rtx 4070 is the mobile rtx 4080, which is massively more powerful but also massively more expensive. The mobile 4080 is approximately 55% faster than the mobile 4070 and has 12gb of vram instead of eight. However, the cheapest you'll find a new laptop with a rtx 4080 is ~$1600 on an excellent sale (excluding price mistakes). If you're willing to purchase refurbished, you can find laptops with all around better specs and a rtx 4080 for ~$1456 refurb on a good sale.
Assuming the hp representative is correct, this laptops screen specs are: 16.1" diagonal, FHD (1920 x 1080), 144 Hz, 7 ms response time, IPS, micro-edge, anti-glare, Low Blue Light, 300 nits brightness, 100% sRGB color gamut. These are decent, though not incredible specs, and fit well with a gaming laptop of this price tier. The response time is somewhat disappointing, but not surprising. Having 300nits brightness and 100% srgb coverage are the minimum for a screen to be decent, 250 nits is too dim for many use cases, and 45% ntsc (~62%srgb) coverage makes colors appear dull, washed out, and flat out wrong.
This laptop does have a mux switch, and while I can't find confirmation for this particular model, similar hp victus 16 models appear to have advanced optimus. This laptop's screen doesn't appear to support g-sync or any form of vrr, you'll need to use an external monitor for any form of vrr.
If the hp representative is wrong, and the bestbuy spec sheet is correct, then the screen specs are "16.1-inch diagonal, FHD (1920 x 1080), 144 Hz, IPS, micro-edge, anti-glare, 300 nits, 62.5% sRGB" supporting freesync premium. Having only 62.5% srgb coverage is a major detriment, colors will appear dull, washed out, and flat out wrong. That being said, if the best buy spec sheet is correct and the screen supports freesync, having vrr is quite nice to have for gaming.
This laptop has two user accessible ram slots (occupied by 2x8gb ddr5-5600 ram sticks), and officially supports up to 32gb.
While there are technically two m.2 slots, only the primary slot (occupied by the 512gb ssd) is m.2 2280 and intended to support a ssd. The second m.2 slot is smaller (specific form factor not listed) and accommodates the wlan card.
The 70whr battery is acceptable for a laptop of this price tier, though not quite as high as one would hope. As a gaming laptop, I'd still expect battery life to be fairly poor. The fairly efficient cpu should mitigate this to some extent, but battery life will be short when using the discrete gpu.
I'm not aware of any major issues with hp's "victus" chassis, but it is positioned as lower end sku compared to their "omen" chassis. It is quite large, bulky, and heavy, this is not a laptop designed with portability as a primary focus. I've also noticed a bit of a trend with higher than average mention of crashing and bluescreens with recent hp victus laptops, so that's something to keep an eye on.
Ultimately, considering the specs, this laptop is a pretty good deal at $1000 assuming it has the 100%srgb screen. If it has the 62.5% srgb screen I'd personally consider the value proposition to be a fair bit worse, though I imagine some people would find freesync to be a sufficient boon to compensate for extremely poor colors.
That being said, current leaks with regards to amd's zen5 mobile "strix" cpus indicate that they will likely launch later this month and have good supply by August (in time for back to school sales). Prices on gaming laptops also seem to be trending downwards in general. Therefore, if you're willing to wait, there might be even better deals available compared to this laptop at $1000. Also, as a side note, amazon's "prime day" and neweggs "fantastech sale" are coming up soon, so once again it might be better to wait a bit.
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In the maintenance and service guide for hp 16-s0xxx models (the best buy model is a 16-s1xxx series) , which is found on the support page in the setup and user guides tab for the exact best buy model ( https://kaas.hpcloud.hp
However, best buy has a datasheet which lists the screen as being "16.1-inch diagonal, FHD (1920 x 1080), 144 Hz, IPS, micro-edge, anti-glare, 300 nits, 62.5% sRGB": https://files.bbystatic
There's also mention of freesync premium in the display section, which isn't mentioned in any other hp marketing material I can find.
As you can see, the spec sheet is at odds with both the hp representative and the maintenance and service guide for hp 16-s0xxx models which is linked on the official support page (though this best buy model is 16-s1xxx).
Assuming the screen specs are those stated by the hp representative, this laptop has pretty good specs for the price. Getting a laptop with a upper-midrange (closer to high end than midrange) current gen cpu, a decent screen, a functionally full power rtx 4070, and 16gb (or more) of ddr5 ram is normally around $1050-$1100 on a decent sale. The 512gb ssd is a bit of a bummer, at this price point it really should have 1tb, but otherwise this laptop ticks most of the right boxes. If the screen only has 62.5% srgb coverage, then it's value proposition is a fair bit worse imo, though having freesync premium (once again assuming the best buy spec sheet is correct) at least helps compensate.
The Ryzen 7 8845HS cpu in this laptop is essentially a refreshed version of the r7 7840hs with better npu performance for ai, the uplift in performance outside ai tasks is fairly minor. Still, having 8 current gen zen4 cores and the rdna3 radeon 780m igpu means this cpu is high end overall, and should offer an excellent mix of performance and battery life. The cpu in this laptop is more than sufficient for any games you can play with the mobile 4070, the gpu will almost always be the bottleneck. Productivity performance should also be fairly good.
The mobile rtx 4070 is essentially just a mobile rtx 4060 with more cores enabled, it's still held back by a minuscule memory bus width, having only 8gb of vram, and being voltage limited such that it can't take advantage of more than 100 watts of power while gaming. The 8gb of vram relegate the mobile 4070 to being a 1080p card, and it may even struggle at 1080p with new AAA games a few years down the line. Overall, the mobile 4070 is around ~20% faster on average in gaming compared to the mobile rtx 4060. Therefore, at ~$1000 the value proposition of this laptop with the 4070 is fairly similar (slightly worse value, but that's expected for a higher tier product) to that of 4060 laptops with good specs, which go for around $800 on a good sale. The 4070 in this laptop should have a tgp of 120w based off of this page: ( https://support.hp.com/us-en/docu...8109292-16 ), meaning it's technically not a full power variant. However, the mobile 4070's performance in gaming stops scaling past 100w, so you're not actually losing any gaming performance: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jMMrh6P
The next step up over the mobile rtx 4070 is the mobile rtx 4080, which is massively more powerful but also massively more expensive. The mobile 4080 is approximately 55% faster than the mobile 4070 and has 12gb of vram instead of eight. However, the cheapest you'll find a new laptop with a rtx 4080 is ~$1600 on an excellent sale (excluding price mistakes). If you're willing to purchase refurbished, you can find laptops with all around better specs and a rtx 4080 for ~$1456 refurb on a good sale.
Assuming the hp representative is correct, this laptops screen specs are: 16.1" diagonal, FHD (1920 x 1080), 144 Hz, 7 ms response time, IPS, micro-edge, anti-glare, Low Blue Light, 300 nits brightness, 100% sRGB color gamut. These are decent, though not incredible specs, and fit well with a gaming laptop of this price tier. The response time is somewhat disappointing, but not surprising. Having 300nits brightness and 100% srgb coverage are the minimum for a screen to be decent, 250 nits is too dim for many use cases, and 45% ntsc (~62%srgb) coverage makes colors appear dull, washed out, and flat out wrong.
This laptop does have a mux switch, and while I can't find confirmation for this particular model, similar hp victus 16 models appear to have advanced optimus. This laptop's screen doesn't appear to support g-sync or any form of vrr, you'll need to use an external monitor for any form of vrr.
If the hp representative is wrong, and the bestbuy spec sheet is correct, then the screen specs are "16.1-inch diagonal, FHD (1920 x 1080), 144 Hz, IPS, micro-edge, anti-glare, 300 nits, 62.5% sRGB" supporting freesync premium. Having only 62.5% srgb coverage is a major detriment, colors will appear dull, washed out, and flat out wrong. That being said, if the best buy spec sheet is correct and the screen supports freesync, having vrr is quite nice to have for gaming.
This laptop has two user accessible ram slots (occupied by 2x8gb ddr5-5600 ram sticks), and officially supports up to 32gb.
While there are technically two m.2 slots, only the primary slot (occupied by the 512gb ssd) is m.2 2280 and intended to support a ssd. The second m.2 slot is smaller (specific form factor not listed) and accommodates the wlan card.
The 70whr battery is acceptable for a laptop of this price tier, though not quite as high as one would hope. As a gaming laptop, I'd still expect battery life to be fairly poor. The fairly efficient cpu should mitigate this to some extent, but battery life will be short when using the discrete gpu.
I'm not aware of any major issues with hp's "victus" chassis, but it is positioned as lower end sku compared to their "omen" chassis. It is quite large, bulky, and heavy, this is not a laptop designed with portability as a primary focus. I've also noticed a bit of a trend with higher than average mention of crashing and bluescreens with recent hp victus laptops, so that's something to keep an eye on.
Ultimately, considering the specs, this laptop is a pretty good deal at $1000 assuming it has the 100%srgb screen. If it has the 62.5% srgb screen I'd personally consider the value proposition to be a fair bit worse, though I imagine some people would find freesync to be a sufficient boon to compensate for extremely poor colors.
That being said, current leaks with regards to amd's zen5 mobile "strix" cpus indicate that they will likely launch later this month and have good supply by August (in time for back to school sales). Prices on gaming laptops also seem to be trending downwards in general. Therefore, if you're willing to wait, there might be even better deals available compared to this laptop at $1000. Also, as a side note, amazon's "prime day" and neweggs "fantastech sale" are coming up soon, so once again it might be better to wait a bit.
Keep in mind, a tgp of over 100w is essentially pointless for a mobile rtx 4070 when used for gaming, since it'll be voltage limited.
Anyone know how much slower this AMD CPU might feel in practice or any specific workloads?
With regards to cpu dependent heavily multithreaded productivity workloads (which I'm assuming your "software engineering tasks" fall under), the 13700hx is definitely substantially faster than the 8845hs under the right conditions. Single threaded performance is fairly similar between the two cpus, with the 13700hx edging out the ryzen chip at higher wattages but using substantially more power. Where the 13700hx shines, assuming it has sufficient power and cooling, is in raw multithreaded performance. In addition to having 8-p cores to roughly match the 8845hs, it also has an additional 8 e-cores, for a total of 24 threads. That being said, some productivity applications still don't make good use of e-cores, and the ryzen chip will be far more efficient completing the same tasks, even if it's somewhat slower. If you'll be only using your laptop when plugged in it won't make much of a difference, but for portable use there will be a stark disparity in battery life (and most likely a major decrease in performance depending on how hp has their power profiles set up) when performing productivity tasks on battery. Cpubenchmark isn't exactly the best source to use for comparisons, but it can be useful to get a very vague and generalized view of how performance between the cpus vary: https://www.cpubenchmar
Keep in mind, the 13700hx is only faster than the 8845hs at higher wattages, so if you're maxing out the cpu and gpu simultaneously the 8845hs will actually probably actually match or potentially outperform the 13700hx.
As an incredibly unscientific extrapolation, you could compare the pugetsystems content creation benchmarks for the 7700x (an 8 core desktop zen 4 cpu) and the 13700k (extremely similar silicon to the 13700hx, just with massively higher power draw). To be clear, this is just to get a general idea of performance scaling for various workloads for these architectures, the disparity in power configurations is absolutely massive, and this is absolutely not a 1:1 comparison: https://www.pugetsystem
It's also worth paying attention to the ram difference. The costco laptop has 32gb of ram, and if your workloads benefit from more than 16gb then you need to factor in the cost of a ram upgrade for the laptop in this deal. On the other hand, the laptop in this deal has faster ddr5 5600mt/s memory, so if you don't need more than 16gb the faster ram will actually help shrink the performance disparity between the cpus somewhat.
Overall, in general terms the laptop in this deal is definitely a substantially superior value compared to the costco version with a 4060 (~20% slower compared to the 4070 in this laptop) and much worse screen at the same price. That being said, when plugged in with good cooling and the discrete gpu not being in use, certain cpu dependent heavily multithreaded productivity workloads may be up to 15%-20% slower on the laptop in this deal. You also need to factor in the cost of a ram and ssd upgrade if 16gb and 512gb respectively are insufficient for your use cases. Ultimately, I'd definitely recommend the laptop in this deal over the costco version you purchased, which is unfortunately not an amazing value at $1000. I would also still caution you that while this deal is pretty good, there will likely be better deals soon if you can afford to wait. As a side note, if you live near a microcenter and there's any stock available, the exact same laptop you purchased from costco is available refurbished for $650: https://slickdeals.net/f/17581830-hp-victus-16-refurb-16-1-fhd-144hz-i7-13700hx-rtx-4060-32gb-ddr5-1tb-ssd-microcenter-in-store-649-99
With regards to cpu dependent heavily multithreaded productivity workloads (which I'm assuming your "software engineering tasks" fall under), the 13700hx is definitely substantially faster than the 8845hs under the right conditions. Single threaded performance is fairly similar between the two cpus, with the 13700hx edging out the ryzen chip at higher wattages but using substantially more power. Where the 13700hx shines, assuming it has sufficient power and cooling, is in raw multithreaded performance. In addition to having 8-p cores to roughly match the 8845hs, it also has an additional 8 e-cores, for a total of 24 threads. That being said, some productivity applications still don't make good use of e-cores, and the ryzen chip will be far more efficient completing the same tasks, even if it's somewhat slower. If you'll be only using your laptop when plugged in it won't make much of a difference, but for portable use there will be a stark disparity in battery life (and most likely a major decrease in performance depending on how hp has their power profiles set up) when performing productivity tasks on battery. Cpubenchmark isn't exactly the best source to use for comparisons, but it can be useful to get a very vague and generalized view of how performance between the cpus vary: https://www.cpubenchmark.net/comp...i7-13700HX [cpubenchmark.net]
Keep in mind, the 13700hx is only faster than the 8845hs at higher wattages, so if you're maxing out the cpu and gpu simultaneously the 8845hs will actually probably actually match or potentially outperform the 13700hx.
As an incredibly unscientific extrapolation, you could compare the pugetsystems content creation benchmarks for the 7700x (an 8 core desktop zen 4 cpu) and the 13700k (extremely similar silicon to the 13700hx, just with massively higher power draw). To be clear, this is just to get a general idea of performance scaling for various workloads for these architectures, the disparity in power configurations is absolutely massive, and this is absolutely not a 1:1 comparison: https://www.pugetsystems.com/labs...on-review/ [pugetsystems.com]
It's also worth paying attention to the ram difference. The costco laptop has 32gb of ram, and if your workloads benefit from more than 16gb then you need to factor in the cost of a ram upgrade for the laptop in this deal. On the other hand, the laptop in this deal has faster ddr5 5600mt/s memory, so if you don't need more than 16gb the faster ram will actually help shrink the performance disparity between the cpus somewhat.
Overall, in general terms the laptop in this deal is definitely a substantially superior value compared to the costco version with a 4060 (~20% slower compared to the 4070 in this laptop) and much worse screen at the same price. That being said, when plugged in with good cooling and the discrete gpu not being in use, certain cpu dependent heavily multithreaded productivity workloads may be up to 15%-20% slower on the laptop in this deal. You also need to factor in the cost of a ram and ssd upgrade if 16gb and 512gb respectively are insufficient for your use cases. Ultimately, I'd definitely recommend the laptop in this deal over the costco version you purchased, which is unfortunately not an amazing value at $1000. I would also still caution you that while this deal is pretty good, there will likely be better deals soon if you can afford to wait. As a side note, if you live near a microcenter and there's any stock available, the exact same laptop you purchased from costco is available refurbished for $650: https://slickdeals.net/f/17581830-hp-victus-16-refurb-16-1-fhd-144hz-i7-13700hx-rtx-4060-32gb-ddr5-1tb-ssd-microcenter-in-store-649-99
First up, how sure are you on the screen specs? I just dialed my laptop brightness up all the way and it seems uncomfortably bright ( just barely ) compared to what I've been using my 2 desktop monitors at all day, so if it's really just 250 nits I'd be a bit surprised ( but not saying it's not possible )
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